Falcon Jun 8, 2013 @ 3:44pm
Great Britain's navy is OP!!!!!!!
Just was about to end this game as me as France. Had a navy of about 22 ships about land an army of 109,000 men in London. Then my navy gets attacked by 6 British Ships and about a minute I lost the naval battle and the fleet retreats to Bolougne with just 60,000 men on board and 3 generals dead. Is it me or is Great Britain's navy is op......
Last edited by Falcon; Jun 13, 2013 @ 10:32am
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Spandaver Jun 10, 2013 @ 6:40am 
France's army on land is OP too. When GBR deploys soldiers in France you can easily throw them back even if your army is smaller than theirs. FRA and GBR are the targets of coalitions, so of course they need a strong force to defend them selves against invading forces.
Just to end this: How many of your 22 was tranportships? Quite many if you was transporting 109k men...
Falcon Jun 11, 2013 @ 10:25am 
Yes I had plenty transport ships ( I forget how much I had). But how does 3 light ships and 3 line ships bring about the death of three generals and 30k men. Seriously Frances army dosnt even come close as much OPness in hard mode. For example when Russians came to conquer my Italian satelite we had equal amount of troops and generals but I lost that war but reclaiming the territory a year later. See in your opinion the Frenchs military may be op but thats not true once you play in hard mode. Also that fleet took me 10 years to build in-game time.
IX MoNsTaR XI Jun 12, 2013 @ 1:41pm 
The entire game is unbalanced. Wait for mods. Trust the player base to clean up Paradox's vomit.
Falcon Jun 13, 2013 @ 10:29am 
Thank you for the advice.
raidvvan Jun 29, 2013 @ 8:41am 
I don't have the game (yet), I am still trying to find out if it's for me, but I believe that historically in the early 1800 the state of the British navy was such that a real life encounter as you describe would have went the same way as in the game.
The war ships, especially the frigates, were much faster than transports and each of them could have easily blasted out of the water 10 or more transports in the time required to sail from Boulogne to London.
It would be interesting to know how many war ships you had yourself. As far as I remember, the British navy won battles even when outnumbered. The French ships were newer but even if the crews enthusiasm cannot be denied, their training was not the same as their opponents across the channel.
Then their is the scale. A fleet of 22 ships cannot transport 100K people in one go. The game is probably using a scale like 10 to 1. It is easier to imagine how 30 first to third rates and 30 frigates can defeat, let's say, 150 transports and 70 war ships.
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Falcon Jun 29, 2013 @ 12:03pm 
@raidvvan I don't really remeber how many warships I had. I have realized that Great Britain's navy is OP in the Napeoleonic Wars and before and after those wars. But still have read of a battle that destroys half of the Grande Armee ( that was the armies name in my campaign ) consisting of 109k get reduced 60k causing the death of about 30k men and also the death of three generals. I know the British had a very steam-rollish navy but what Paradox did to the navy in-game was just to OP for someone land a small army on the British coast. I forgot to mention tryed land an army on Dublin but still get repelled by a smaller fleet. Just know that this was no odinary fleet it took me ten years in-game time to build. Even though I think that most of the fleet was transports I still there was a good amount warships and galleys.
raidvvan Jun 30, 2013 @ 6:41am 
Spartan, you must have had more than 22 ships. I downloaded the demo and gave it a go as Prussia and they had at start a transport ship. The carying capacity of that lone transport is 5K, so yout 109K army would fit in exactly 22 transports.
Another thing: historically, the galleys were effective and were used only in the Baltic and Mediterranean. I am not sure if Paradox modelled this in the game, but it is pretty easy to do. On the other hand, if they only see a ship as an object with attack, defense and armor, a player would be able to use galleys in the Pacific, but I digress.
So again, real life result is not unexpected. From a player's point of view though, I would be pretty pissed myself if that would happen to me.
Bunks Jul 2, 2013 @ 3:07pm 
No he is correct, the British Navy is insanely over powered. I had 3 fleets of 20+ ships, attack 4 line and 2 frigates in home waters after capturing Gibralta. Not only did I lose 2 1st rate ships, he captured one as well. It's almost next to impossible to kill a british SOL. 2-1 odds I can see, if Nelson vs a scrub Spainish admiral. But 5-1 odds in 1st rate ships with a very good admiral, and I took 3 losses and killed aonly a single frigate.

What were they thinking?
Falcon Jul 3, 2013 @ 12:27pm 
Feel for you Bunks that event in my campaign really pissed me off considering my biggest army at the time was on that fleet. If they have DLC's for this game I suggest atleast having a chance of going against the british on your own and needing another superpower like Spain or Sweden to distract their navy and therefore land an army on the coast of Norwich or London. I really hope Paradox fixes mess because I do not want to resort to mods just have some fun with game.
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Leb Jul 8, 2013 @ 7:16am 
Rule Britannia, Brittania rules the waves...
SPARTANMST Jul 14, 2013 @ 2:36pm 
Originally posted by Leb:
Rule Britannia, Brittania rules the waves...
Haha!
Vicboss Jul 15, 2013 @ 1:47pm 
Originally posted by Leb:
Rule Britannia, Brittania rules the waves...

Lmao, was gonna say the same thing. Also to Spartan Warrior, there's many reasons you likely lost that battle.

1) Britain's naval technology starts off as BEASTLY. This is the main reason you lost, and the main reason France's land armies are OP.
2)Britain's admirals.
3) Transport ships.

As to your point that you lost in an equal battle with Russia on hard mode. That's entirely your fault. Not alot of people realize that frontage(how many many you field vs. how many are in your reserves) and tactics(you choose one for each flank to start with) are the main ways you will defeat armies in this game. For example I played several campaigns as Sweden on hard and I was beating Denmark's equal armies (about 55,000-60,000) while losing like 5,000 sometimes less troops. If you fight in a forest you need less frontage. If you fight in a plain you can field max frontage (50, can be increased). As for tactics, I'd recommend entrenchment for all 3 flanks. Or a combination of right/left flank entrenched, center flank set to up the guard. These tactics require you to have a minimum percent of certain unit types in said flanks. The annoying thing about doing this is it calls for a LOT of micro-management.
Bunks Jul 16, 2013 @ 4:18am 
I made a few tweaks to the defines file to see if I could make it at least tolerable.

So far I am happy with the results, although I also changed a few other things to make the game less silly.

For example-
Unload speed, increased it from 1 to 2- because 2 months to land troops from ships is just crazy.
Troop kill factor - increased it to .31
Morale threshold- lowered from .25 to .22 - armies take more losses in combat yet gives higher moral armies a chance even against larger forces. It also puts manpower back in the game as somethting important and keeps you from running around with 100K armies ignoring attrition loss. Try it, and watch how fast you will be watching your manpower ratio.

But for navies
Increased naval attack max to 8. Now at least killing a British SOL is possible, not likely but if you outnumber them enough you at least can kill something.
Reduced Ship cature ratio from 1 to .5 - this was just a no brainer.

Made a few other tweaks but so far I am liking the results better now.





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Marquis de l'Hamy Jul 17, 2013 @ 9:59am 
Britains navy is OP! um duh. It was there big thing! there navy had TWICE as many ships of the line as the french AND their crews and commanders were better. However as they are sitting on their island drinking tea your hordes can conquer Europa.
Bunks Jul 17, 2013 @ 2:36pm 
They had numerical superiority AFTER Trafalgar. Since they captured and destroyed much of the French and Spanish Navy. This game is supposed to be a what if. Not a after if.

Yes the British navy was superior, but mostly in manuver and boarding capability. Saying a dozen SOL can't destroy even a single SOL because it is British, is absurdity. You would thin the British ships in this game, are Ironclads.
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