sgwee Jan 3, 2013 @ 9:17am
I'm disappointed in you
I am disappointed in my fellow gamers for not having the foresight and common decency to be nothing but kind and accepting of a new software to join the steam store. ALL GAMES ARE SOFTWARE. This is a legitimate developer company, giving out a fine product, up to standards, easy to use, efficient, and aesthettically pleasing. things we look at when we look at games, but theres more. They uphold the virtues we look for in a good steam store product, an active community, developers interested in their customers satisfaction, updates, technical know how, and being thorough.

You may not agree, you may not buy this product, but don't spit your bile and negativity. If this service is not at a price you think its worth, than you don't have to buy it. This is a tool meant to enhance productivity, at a convenience that overall can be worked into anyones budget! I am a cashier lowest of the low and this is in my budget. even as a student.

last point I want to make.. Take a look at what has been greenlit so far under software tab. Its primarily for indie developers. something deep rooted in what steams whole philosiphy is all about. You see this all over every bit of sotware, its what its geared for. This software is no different, indie developers need more time to program, not waste time worrying about finances, or trying to work it all into an excel sheets. I know this is the internet, and negativity is king.. but gamers I implore you, I almost beg of you, to open your eyes and see that this new turn steam has made is in the good fortune of us all. For myself I say welcome YNAB. you get a 10/10.
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sgwee Jan 3, 2013 @ 9:35am 
I would like to see a community built from this specifically made up of developers, or those in entertainment. I think finances are a thing we need to discuss and share theories in. We can discuss worthwhile products, pipeline strategies, distribution channels. From web development, YouTube, steam greenlight, kickstarter and beyond.
2core_neo Jan 5, 2013 @ 5:54pm 
I wholehearted agree with your post sgwee. Some poeple just can't seem to resist the temptation to defile themselves online. It's kind of pathetic how they "think" their Steam has been tainted somehow.

I too am glad YNAB has arrived. I bought two copies of it...now if I could just get my kid to download the YNAB gift I bought for her -sigh.
WedgeMantilles Jan 7, 2013 @ 1:47pm 
I definitely agree with the OP. If you don't like then don't buy it but don't get uppity for a software developer adopting similar philosophy and practice from steam. In fact we steam users should feel honored to be attracting the attention of other industries.
Dr. Guaranexx Jan 7, 2013 @ 3:43pm 
+1 to this. I've been using YNAB for almost 2 years now and was happy when I just found out today they are on steam. It's definitely a shame to see all the hate being spewed toward them just because they are not another video game. Although I haven't gotten around to upgrading to 4 yet, I've been very happy with v3. They build a very polished program that has been working well for me. It was interesting looking at my personal finances in a different light (budgeting vs simply expense tracking), but I've never had any buyer's remorse over buying this program.

Hopefully the "this-is-not-a-game-so-i-hate-it" critics will eventually realize that steam isn't just for games. This is actually a well-built and well-maintained product with good support, so if anybody is interested in using this software, it's definitely worth trying out.
Blackdog Jan 8, 2013 @ 4:11am 
Again, I have to laugh... STEAM is NOT a GAMING PLATFORM... It doesn't facilitate the game in any way, not the way WII, or XBOX are a gaming platform.

The GAME is an app, and STEAM is its DRM. Steam is about STOPPING the license agreement from being inadvertantly broken, not about making the game function or operate better.

As such, Steam, as a DRM platform, should be available to ANY developer who feels they need DRM in their product.

In that sense, there is a disparity in terms of cost..

A Web Site purchase of YNAB is $60.. no DRM, no Hassles, licensed to run on all your computers. The Steam license... not so open, yet same high price. Why?
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RodeoClown  [developer] Jan 8, 2013 @ 11:10am 
When you purchase on Steam, you are still licensed to run on all your computers. There is a little bit more hassle to do this, but not much. Either:

* Click Help->About->Copy Activation Key and paste that in to the activation field on your other computers after downloading from our site.

or

* Log in to Steam on each machine and install YNAB there, and then make a shortcut to the executable and use that rather than having Steam running -- you have to make the shortcut yourself rather than using Steam's automatic one, as the default one runs Steam too.
sgwee Jan 9, 2013 @ 3:45pm 
for me having it on steam seems easier. won't have to worry about updating it. as far as your digital rights, it looks like its the same. maybe with a few second more of managing.. but thats it.
RodeoClown  [developer] Jan 9, 2013 @ 7:22pm 
The non-Steam version also has automatic updating. If you buy it from us you can get a Steam key. If you buy it on Steam you can use the key from the Steam version to unlock the non-Steam version.

Whatever's simplest for you :)
sgwee Jan 10, 2013 @ 12:43am 
oh thats cool. any plans for a windows store, or other versions?
RodeoClown  [developer] Jan 10, 2013 @ 3:14am 
We're looking into them at this stage, but for now it's Steam and our site.
BLU13 Λ Jan 10, 2013 @ 11:02am 
Sucks having non-game software on steam : it's a shame. I'll spread advice against this product everywhere I can.
cokebottle Jan 10, 2013 @ 11:17am 
Instead of campaigning against Steam, why not stop using it, or petition Valve to reconsider?
GrimWeafer Feb 11, 2013 @ 6:07pm 
I think your on to something
holisk Feb 12, 2013 @ 8:07pm 
Originally posted by RodeoClown:
When you purchase on Steam, you are still licensed to run on all your computers. There is a little bit more hassle to do this, but not much. Either:

* Click Help->About->Copy Activation Key and paste that in to the activation field on your other computers after downloading from our site.


I assume the file that is in Program (x86)>Steam>Steamapps>common>YNAB with the title steamliscenefile also contains the proper activation key if we were to install on our own (not through steam)?
RodeoClown  [developer] Feb 12, 2013 @ 9:05pm 
Yeah, that's your key (but it's easier to get it from inside YNAB via the Help->About screen ;))
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