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Ironwatsas Jul 14, 2013 @ 10:51am
What happens if I do THIS? (faction ships?)
Upon poking around the game's save files, I've found what appear to be faction ship folders (all of which are empty). Currently, the NPCs merely spawn as any given ship in my regular save file.

Now, if I were to move or copy one of those ship files into one of those faction ship folders, would that cause said ship to spawn only for that faction? How exactly do the mechanics work there? Is it possible to manipulate how NPC faction ships spawn and make up my own faction fleets, or are these folders just placeholders for the future?

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tallon.nisar Jul 14, 2013 @ 2:17pm 
I'm interested in the answer to this as well, when one of the devs or someone who knows comes along.

It'd be kinda cool to be able to stop pirate factions from using Capital ships and the like.
Ironwatsas Jul 14, 2013 @ 10:39pm 
Well, assuming it works (it's difficult to see if it does due to having no way of identifying NPC affiliation), then building a full fleet setup for each faction and setting them against each other will be a fun passtime.
tallon.nisar Jul 14, 2013 @ 11:56pm 
Right now, I think that it is not implemented, or that it serves another purpose. At one point I attempted to customise the game this way and it didn't seem to affect any spawning as far as I could tell.
Dakili Jul 15, 2013 @ 2:55am 
If there are ship files in a faction folder, this faction will only spawns these ships. If the folder is empty, it will spawn ships that are in the game folder, meaning ships you build. This allow for faction customisation.
Winter Dragon Jul 15, 2013 @ 4:02am 
I'm confused, I'm seeing two folders for most factions like this:

[Farside Pirate Cartel Ships] - empty
[FarsidePirateCartel Ships] - has stock ships in it

Should the empty ones be there?
Dakili Jul 15, 2013 @ 4:13am 
Originally posted by Winter Dragon:
I'm confused, I'm seeing two folders for most factions like this:

[Farside Pirate Cartel Ships] - empty
[FarsidePirateCartel Ships] - has stock ships in it

Should the empty ones be there?


They're the same one actually. If you look at the .txt file lower, which are their kind. Like trader diplomat and all, each file will have both folder named, so i think it's probably for testing.

I can't really say since I'm not in the Dev team though. This is coming from my programming experience.
LumberingTroll  [developer] Jul 15, 2013 @ 9:14am 
Actually it was a glitch we fixed, feel free to remove the faction folders with the spaces in its name.

If a folder is empty that faction has access to all of the ships you make.
If you put ships in their folder, they can only spawn thoes ships, this is so that you can tailor a factions ships and further customize how you play.
Ironwatsas Jul 15, 2013 @ 9:52am 
I figured that's what it did. Just asking for confirmation.

While we're on the subject, would it be possible to rename factions and manipulate them? I see text files with their names. Would playing with them have any effect or would it be overriden by something/mess something important up?
LumberingTroll  [developer] Jul 15, 2013 @ 9:54am 
You can create all new factions if you like, just follow the same file structure as the faction .txt files.

Name
NameWithoutSpaces
Trait
Trait
Trait (etc)

A full trait list, and more options will be maid available eventually.
Ironwatsas Jul 15, 2013 @ 9:55am 
Ahh, thank you! Lastly, Is there anything special I need to do to get new factions to show up in a galaxy?
LumberingTroll  [developer] Jul 15, 2013 @ 9:56am 
Nope, its random, if there are only 10 factions, and you set it to 40, it will use all 10, and only 10. Open the map and expand the legend to see which factions are there or press K to see the standards menu.
Ironwatsas Jul 15, 2013 @ 10:01am 
Alrighty then. I think I got it.
Winter Dragon Jul 15, 2013 @ 2:48pm 
Thanks LT, it's going to be fun fighting my own designs and seeing how the ai uses them.
tallon.nisar Jul 15, 2013 @ 3:11pm 
Thanks, LT, this is great info. I probably used the glich folders when it didn't seem to work then, doy.
Ironwatsas Jul 15, 2013 @ 4:05pm 
Well, actually, I've placed custom ships into faction folders, but it seems to have no effect so far. They all still use every ship at random. It dosen't help that there's no way currently to tell which faction I'm seeing except by shooting them.

At any rate, there should be a more solid way of editing factions and playing with their diplomacy, ship use, ratios of certian ships (so you can set it to, say, 100 fighters spawn per every 1 Battleship, instead of a random mix), behavior (changing their general aggression level, etc). This would be wonderful for setting up a custom galaxy or multiplayer server later on.

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