Beating a Dead Horse

[Butthurt Umphreak]

Alright, so I know this has been hashed out a few times in previous discussions, but I have tried every Info Kiosk entry from Arbiter to the Zork easter egg, and I still have not gotten the "Know it All" achievment. Below is a list of terms I have tried, if anyone can point out some painfully obvious ommisions, please feel free to do so. Otherwise i'll just keep trying.

Both With and Without Lens:
Arbiter, Central Station, Clarity, Courthouse, Factor, Goliath, Horus, HIstory, Humanism, Humans, Landmarks, Law, Memorious, Metromind, Metropol, Other Cities, Primordium, Refuge Rule, Robot Council, Scraper, Sturnweiler, War, Steeple.

Without Lens:
CDEP, Cycles, Efficiency Initiative, Power, Primer, Progress, Underworks

Lens Only:
Art, Cathedral, Created, Crier, Tower, Escape, Lies, Oblique, Redlien, Starport

Commands:
Exit, Help, Back, Home, More, Quit

Thanks,
Let me know what I may be missing, and hopefully the list can be completed.

[Butthurt Umphreak]

"Shell" has also been used

[Mark Y.]

At a minimum, you appear to be missing "Main Street" under both monocle and no monocle. I'm assuming that where topics have multiple pages (some have 3), you've read all of them (which is required).

Let me know if that resolves things.

[Butthurt Umphreak]

Thanks Mark, Just went through and entered them all again, including main street, still no luck though. I had missed the third page of landmarks, but it wasn't the troublemaker apparently. I'll give it another go in a little bit, maybe the cheevo gods will be pleased with me.

[Mark Y.]

I'll plunge back into the code. If no one had gotten the achievement, it would be easier to figure out what was going on.

[Butthurt Umphreak]

No worries, I'm in no hurry. Even without the achievment it is still one of the most beautiful games I have played in ages.

[1stReaper.]

still having trouble getting it

[Mark Y.]

Thanks for the praise!

I found the section of the code that contains the kiosk entries, and then I wrote a quick QuickBasic program for stripping that down to just a list of the topic names. Here's what I pulled. I'm too tired to check this against your list (which is what I tried to do while just looking at the code last time), but maybe you'll notice something:

WITHOUT MONOCLE

0=WELCOME
1=HISTORY
2=ROBOT COUNCIL
3=CORRUPT DATA ELIMINATION PLAN
4=PRIMER
5=FACTOR
6=ARBITER
7=STEEPLE
8=HUMANISM
9=HUMANS
10=PROGRESS
11=PRIMORDIUM
12=LANDMARKS
13=UNDERWORKS
14=SHELL
15=WAR OF THE FOUR CITIES
16=OTHER CITIES
17=GOLIATH
18=HORUS
19=CHARITY & CLARITY ARBITERBUILT
20=S.C.R.A.P.E.R.
21=STURNWEILER
22=POWER
23=CYCLES
24=METROPOLITAN LAW
25=METROMIND (l)
26=METROMIND (2)
27=REFUGE RULE (l)
28=REFUGE RULE (2)
29=EFFICIENCY INITIATIVE (l)
30=EFFICIENCY INITIATIVE (2)
31=HELP
32=MEMORIOUS
33=COURTHOUSE
34=MAIN STREET
35=CENTRAL STATION

WITH MONOCLE

0=WELCOME
1=HISTORY (l)
3=HISTORY (2)
2=ROBOT COUNCIL (l)
4=ROBOT COUNCIL (2)
5=FACTOR MANBUILT
6=ARBITER MANBUILT
7=STEEPLE MANBUILT
8=HUMANISM
9=HUMANS
10=WAR OF THE FOUR CITIES (2)
11=PRIMORDIUM
12=LANDMARKS (l)
13=LANDMARKS (2)
14=LANDMARKS (3)
15=WAR OF THE FOUR CITIES (l)
16=OTHER CITIES
17=GOLIATH MANBUILT
18=HORUS
19=CHARITY & CLARITY ARBITERBUILT
20=S.C.R.A.P.E.R.
21=STURNWEILER MANBUILT
22=MEMORIOUS MANBUILT
23=OBLIQUE
24=METROPOLITAN LAW
25=METROMIND MANBUILT
26=ART
27=REFUGE RULE (l)
28=REFUGE RULE (2)
29=CREATING lies [You get this topic by entering "CREATED"]
30=LIES
31=ESCAPE
32=REDLINE
33=HELP
34=COUNCIL TOWER
35=CRIER COUNCILBUILT
36=COURTHOUSE
37=MAIN STREET
38=METROPOLITAN CATHEDRAL (l)
39=METROPOLITAN CATHEDRAL (2)
40=CENTRAL STATION
41=STARPORT (l)
42=STARPORT (2)

One thing I'm wondering is whether you might need to actually put in "welcome" as opposed to just having it register when you initially load up the kiosk. (Note, these are the topic headings that are displayed, not the keywords that trigger them. So "CDEP" or "Redlien" should suffice so long as each of these screens has been loaded up.)

Let me know if this helps.

[1stReaper.]

<face to palm>....... still didn't get the achievement =/........
and i typed in EVERYTHING you posted :(.....
tryed redline + redlien, i did welcome i on both, exit, help, back, quit and home aswell =/
still didn't come up :(

[Mark Y.]

Sigh. There must be some underlying glitch. But then how have some people gotten it?

Did you do "more" on each of the multi-page topics?

[Butthurt Umphreak]

I have yet to go through again, but I am wondering if it has to do with continuity. Maybe if you make any entries in one session, save, and come back to it it screw of the achievment. This is speculation of course, but I am going to rip through the first part of the game and try entering them all in one sitting, maybe that will do the trick.

[Butthurt Umphreak]

*"It screws up the achievement". Sorry, my fingers are feeling special today

[1stReaper.]

yep, i did everything, and i mean everything :( even tryed the one crispin says when you type in oblique

[Mark Y.]

Well guys, I hate to say it, but I'm stumped. I've gone through the code and scrutinized it as best I can, and while it's a bit strangely laid out (not how I would've necessarily done it, but I don't know how to code in AGS, so it may be peculiar to the engine), it appears like it should work. I'll email the coder, but since he's currently serving in the Greek military and doesn't have access to the files, I'm not really sure how to proceed.

Again, what mystifies me is that some people *did* report getting the achievement. Not sure how it's possible for it sometimes to work and sometimes not to work.

[1stReaper.]

unless its prob just one of them that happens on skyrim,
you start a game with a certain bug active in that playthough that will trigger once you get to the right point ?... i dont know... but thanks for the help all the same
as for the email as primordia is a wadjeteye game + wormwood, ya'd prob be better emailing one of them about this (i would do it myself but im having issues trying to get a stable internet connection at the moment)

[Butthurt Umphreak]

I'm not too worried about it, thanks dude