Grunt'z Gaming Dec 31, 2012 @ 1:47am
personally i enjoyed warz over dayz
i dont know why people think dayz is so amazing i had never played dayz till today and i had warz till somone told me just get dayz and ask for ur refund for warz but now that i got dayz im ♥♥♥♥ed that i refunded my warz. i think dayz has very little reward for the time spent on it and i get spotted by zombies a mile away from crouching. now people are like oh thats realistic. wtf whats realistic... the ZOMBIES. now im not bagging people who play dayz but i think warz is a faster paisted zombie game where when i get home from work i can kill some ♥♥♥♥ and move on. where dayz i have spent hours just trying to get somewhere and nothing being there. and if i get lucky and find a axe or somthing the zombie is guna just hit me from 10ft away and kill me. so thats kinda my little view on dayz vs warz. i think warz wins but i would like to see what other people have to say so please comment.
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ⱠȜȜŦⱲ₳ҒҒȽԐϨ Dec 31, 2012 @ 2:11am 
The reason for people hating WarZ has nothing to do with DayZ. Absolutely nothing.

It has everything to do with Hammerpoint (and Sergey's) unethical, and illegal business practices.

The War Z is, in and of itself, a cashgrab. A scam, and little more. I'm not going to go into every national and international law that Hammerpoint has broken by simply having this game on the market, nor will I go into listing every detail which makes this game a scam.

There are dozens of reports, reviews, and developer interviews that will do that for me.
Ace♡ Dec 31, 2012 @ 3:51am 
DayZ isn't amazing.
WarZ is also not amazing.

They both have their pros and cons.
DayZ has better controls, a bigger map, vehicles(even helicopters!), better gun physics, and more realistic models in general. Zombie senses are decent to a point(I don't think I've had what happened to you happen to me?) though if you're running around, yes they're going to get you. In WarZ if you're ~35 meters away they won't even see you really. DayZ has less hackers (though when you do see a hacker they're usually hilarious like nuking the server), more variety in servers (high pop, low pop, start with a full kit, start with nothing, more vehicles, etc), and better dev support altogether. I have also had less people KoS, though enough still do. Myself included, unless I see they are unarmed. Also, DayZ has lean. Lean is awesome. It is free, assuming you own Arma 2, and Arma 2 goes on sale a lot regardless. There is no cash shop.

WarZ has.. well, as you say, it is certainly faster paced. It's easier to find guns, though not good ones. After a couple of hours of play I was loaded with several M4s, pistols, and three AA-12s. There are somewhat fewer bugs, however the bugs you do see are easily fixable and scream at how lazy the devs are, like taking fall damage on slight inclines or teleporting to a building roof by jumping. Zombies are easier to avoid. It's easier to run on an older PC than Arma 2. The map is smaller, meaning more PvP in general, for those that find that a plus.

Now, the cons. Starting with DayZ.

DayZ is much harder to run, as Arma 2 is awfully optimized. Older PCs will have no chance in hell of running it, or MAYBE on low. However, if you can run it on very high like me, it looks rather pretty and very realistic for what it is, but it's silly to assume everyone has a high end rig. The interface is not user friendly and takes some getting used to; though this is being fixed in Standalone. There are some problems with movement, because models are actually properly solid; there is little to no clipping. Things that are easily doable IRL become a bit silly because your character refuses to move his arms much from a pistol ready/ low and ready stance. There is currently somewhat less variety in items. Arma 2 is easy to hack(because who would hack a cooperative game against AI?); though not as easy as WarZ. The devs have a 'hardcore' complex, and back in the day they did everything possible to make it more of a pain for the 'carebear' player. This is fixed by custom servers. Too much empty space (WarZ also has this con.). It's sometimes less obvious where items are. There aren't as many enterable buildings(but they are actually furnished for the most part, and they are planning on having all buildings enterable by release.)

Now, War Z. What some people have to realize that labeling the game 1.0, as War Z is, means to the developers it is a COMPLETE GAME. Not a release candidate, not an alpha beta or ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ foundation release, in their eyes it is a 1.0 to be patched and fixed further. Now, onto the cons. WarZ has bad graphics. I don't know why everyone who watches my stream says it has good graphics, because they're garbage. They use the same three trees and few buildings for everything, and everything looks cheaply textured in general. Animations look like a five year old made them. NO ONE prones like that. They're ripped directly from War Inc and they aren't ANYTHING like what we do in the military. It's like a toddler crawling. It looks ridiculous. Guns feel fake and don't handle very well. Because of the lethal nature of the game, between types of guns, you can feel very little variation besides magazine size (say, between a 5-7 and a baretta, or an M16 and an M4, though they are very different weapons). Hackers are FAR more prevalent, especially on high pop servers. Some people seem to deny this fact, but that's ridiculous, because it is absolutely true that the majority hack, or at least use exploits, like server hopping, to get an edge. It's too easy to hoard guns with the global inventory; if you farm enough, death is hardly even a problem anymore, since you can just respawn fully kitted already, where in DayZ you start fresh every time no matter what. Cities are bland. Zombies seem to follow a very strict amount of code in how far they will chase, their spawn locations, and what they do; which is stand there or wander in a very limited area until someone wanders by to incessantly ♥♥♥♥ing growl at. The community is ♥♥♥♥ing awful. The majority of the people I see defend this game seem to be children. No offense to you, OP, I don't know who you are or what you do. Beyond kill other people or hoard a gajillion M4s, there is nothing to do. This is also a problem in DayZ. There is no overarching goal to try and attain; it's simply survive as long as you can. And with WarZ, it couldn't be less fun once you're kitted out and would rather camp somewhere and take potshots at people. Cash shop; cash shops are ♥♥♥♥ing abhorrent, and I hate that they even considered putting one in this game. It makes it p2w, regardless of whether you are willing to pay to win or not, as it takes out a major element of needing to scavenge for food or water for people willing to dish out a few bucks to 'support the devs'. If even ONE THING is made easier at the expense of other players, then it is p2w. No argument here. GW2 let you buy ♥♥♥♥ing dyes and skins. That's a proper cash shop. Let people customize themselves. Don't sell items and melee weapons and backpacks.

A few side note opinions: Games like this shouldn't have a 'global' chat. Feasibly, there should be a radio item that allows you to 'chat' on a frequency, perhaps with a few preset ones for a 'public' channel, or even being able to try and intercept other people's private frequencies to listen to their comms. Global default channels ruin games like this, as there is 0 feeling of being alone when you can just go 'hey lol any1 want 2 meet up near campos?'. Proximity should be much shorter; talking range. Shouting should attract zombies; not that anything besides gunfire (and even then, the zombies have to be very close) attracts them.

It should make more sense where items are located. You do not find M4s in super markets, unless someone left one there. If you go to a military base, you should have a reasonable suspicion to be able to find GOOD MILITARY RELATED GEAR. Day Z does this. Logical placement of loot by category.

Weather is important in games like this, as heavy rain or fog would lower visibility greatly, and visiblity is extremely important in a game about stealth and HvH(hunter versus hunter).

Lastly; DON'T ♥♥♥♥ING SCAM PEOPLE AND PRESENT YOUR GAME AS IT IS. IF YOUR GAME IS SUBPAR, WORK ON IT UNTIL IT ISN'T. DO NOT LIE JUST TO GET PEOPLE TO PAY YOU MONEY, BECAUSE ALL IT WILL DO IS BITE YOU IN THE ♥♥♥ LATER AS THE LIES BEGIN TO PILE UP. SOME OF YOUR CUSTOMERS MAY BE IDIOTS BUT ONCE ONE PERSON ISN'T AND THEY START TELLING OTHERS ♥♥♥♥'S GONNA GO CRAZ-

oh, that already happened, silly me

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Crimson Ghost Dec 31, 2012 @ 5:34am 
In all honesty, the Day Z vs War Z argument is almost exclusively used by those on the side of War Z in an attempt to avoid the real issues of falsely stated features, bad design choices, immense hacking community, and developers' lack of willingness to listen to well reasoned arguments by the community who genuinely want to see the game come into its own.

I have played neither game but I can sincerely tell you that War Z had my interests for about a week and when it showed up on Steam I gave a considerable amount of thought to purchasing it, in part because I like true survivalist style horror games rather than the typical run and gun fair presented by Left 4 Dead. But when War Z was taken down from steam a little under 48 hours after its release (a record for removal for Steam), it made me dive deeper.

In the end it was the politics that drove me away from the game personally. If the developers seemed more willing to listen to its community rather than insulting them by stating people misread the store page or calling them a "vocal minority" (Sergey's words) then I might have been willing to forgo the bad design in hopes that they would improve the game. Looking into previous titles run by the lead developer, that seems an unlikely event all together and the conflicting information presented by the developers makes it an even harder pill to swallow.
GaNjAlF 3ö~ Dec 31, 2012 @ 6:00am 
I love both games.. I'll paly dayz standalona as I will continue to paly WARZ and DAYZ mod
Cronik Dec 31, 2012 @ 6:16am 
I wanted to like Dayz but just couldn't I dont know what it is whether it's the way zombies move and spaz out/attack or it's just that it feels/looks like a mod (I know it is one) and I always find myself going back to Warz even though it has far less different loot, immersion with the world and features than Dayz.

I will no doubt get the Dayz standalone game hoping it's vastly improved though as I luv these type of games. Warz feels like a zombie apocalypse game and Dayz doesn't I dont know what those things are.

The potential is there in both games but atm neither are very well done but even so the concept/genre/idea is such a fun one that Warz even in it's simplistic form is addictive as hell. I just hope the developers follow through with their promises of releasing vehicles, skill trees, more map/locations, more immersion with the world, more different loot etc etc.
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jpate81 Dec 31, 2012 @ 6:25am 
Originally posted by Cronik:
I wanted to like Dayz but just couldn't I dont know what it is whether it's the way zombies move and spaz out/attack or it's just that it feels/looks like a mod (I know it is one) and I always find myself going back to Warz even though it has far less different loot, immersion with the world and features than Dayz.

I will no doubt get the Dayz standalone game hoping it's vastly improved though as I luv these type of games. Warz feels like a zombie apocalypse game and Dayz doesn't I dont know what those things are.

The potential is there in both games but atm neither are very well done but even so the concept/genre/idea is such a fun one that Warz even in it's simplistic form is addictive as hell. I just hope the developers follow through with their promises of releasing vehicles, skill trees, more map/locations, more immersion with the world, more different loot etc etc.

I totally agree. I like em both but find myself playing WarZ. And i'll probably buy the DayZ stand alone too or any other company that brings out a well polished game of ths genre.
Kraken Heads Jan 6, 2013 @ 2:13am 
i much prefer warz over day z
day z isn't even a game its a ♥♥♥♥ty running mod that stopped working for no apparent reason after about a week of using it, war z works for about 2 weeks then gets attacked by ♥♥♥♥♥s who don't know how to choose games they like
MrShemp Jan 6, 2013 @ 7:07am 
I haven't played DayZ and probably wont.

I play WarZ the way it's supposed to be played.

Leave a safe zone (like someone who needs to go and get something to eat and drink, maybe some meds), go to a town, sneak in, scavenge, kill a few zombies that get in the way, hopefully pick up some weps, ammo and armor, too and then hightail it back to the safe zone to dump my loot. Repeat. I have killed over 1000 zombies, but only 2 other players. One spawned right next to me in a P.O. I'd been killed too many times by waiting to talk, so I shot him. Turns out he was a bandit so no great loss.The other one was shooting at me, so I hid and when he popped arond the corner I beat him with a hammer!

Camping in a town or city and shooting everyone who shows up is the worst way to play. You miss the real possibilities of enjoying it. Sure you get more loot, but if I can get in and get out with MY loot without you shooting me, I'VE BEATEN YOU!

It's great. If they get things upgraded to in-game trading and stores,etc., even better. I paid $13.49 on Steam. The game has problems that might be solved. If not, so be it.

The people who are complaining the loudest are the ones who paid for the full loadout packages before even playing the game, thinking they would be the "winners" by default. There are no winners in this game (except Hammerpoint). You lose everything you are carrying if you die.

I agree we were lied to. I agree a lot of people should feel ripped off. If they had tried it first before dumping a lot of cash into it, they would have been a lot happier. Or a lot less angry.

In my opinion, they screwed themselves.

I have gotten my moneys worth. If you want to argue, reread my last sentence. That is my
opinion. You are entitled to yours. If you don't like it, stop playing. If you got screwed out of your money, learn from it and move on. The haters keep trying to convince me it's all a scam and I should give it all up and "That'll teach 'em!".

I say screw the haters. I'll continue to play a great game.
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Hazel Jan 6, 2013 @ 7:10am 
Originally posted by Beast of the Deep:
i much prefer warz over day z
day z isn't even a game its a ♥♥♥♥ty running mod that stopped working for no apparent reason after about a week of using it, war z works for about 2 weeks then gets attacked by ♥♥♥♥♥s who don't know how to choose games they like

Is this some kind of internet fetish to resurrect old threads?
MrShemp Jan 6, 2013 @ 7:12am 
It's people expressing themselves. If you don't like it, go to the My Little Pony site. You'll get lots of fresh threads there.
Hazel Jan 6, 2013 @ 7:31am 
Originally posted by MrShemp:
It's people expressing themselves. If you don't like it, go to the My Little Pony site. You'll get lots of fresh threads there.

It's people trying to defend a scam.
gnawbones Jan 6, 2013 @ 7:55am 
Originally posted by MrShemp:
It's people expressing themselves. If you don't like it, go to the My Little Pony site. You'll get lots of fresh threads there.

you want expressions about this scam of a game you say?:


Only way to survive War Z is play like 95% of the players left in War Z....run an aimbot hack that is freely distributed just about everywhere now.

Taken from ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ War Z news update:

"Our WarZ cheat is simply the most popular cheat we ever had online here at ilikecheats."

http://www.♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥/?blog=the-warz-cheat-update-news


so yeah...... have fun trying to have a playable session in this game.

http://kotaku.com/5971650/maybe-the-warz-is-more-fun-if-you-use-cheats



how's the progress of any anticheat system coming in War Z ?
how long have they promised it's inclusion ?

be informed about how the game 'actually' plays before you buy into the fraud and enable the scam that takes your money due to not telling you the truth about the game when you bought it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ul8r5HN6k98

http://youtu.be/RtKAm3nzg6I


I can honestly say this:

"Caveat emptor" ... but know the truth about what you are buying first.


Rhinocrunch video series :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=JUlhkTIzUa4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=FXKu5lV69V8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=5SvhJubPtAA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=eOrNAKJbHpc


http://i.imgur.com/u35YS.jpg
original art in War Z ?

and it goes way beyond the plagiarized art, its also questionable audio, recycled resources and textures, the stolen terms of service, suspended trademarks, zero ingame anticheat while also charging real money for items yet you lose them permanently when you get ganked by a hacker, etc, etc ,etc....

not to mention the review scores on all the major gaming sites like pc gamer and metacritic and many others, the major media exposures by outlets such as BBC, Forbes, etc.,,,and the investigations by the BBB and FTC.

the game is so unsecure taht even an emulator is freely available online, as well as rampant free distribution of hacks and cheats.

the list of proof against this developer is looooong. I could go on and give proven examples for a long long time.

Beware buyers !.... seriously, dont fall for the misleading marketing of this money grab scam.


http://www.pcgamer.com/2012/12/29/the-greatest-gaming-controversies-of-2012/5/#gallery-top

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-01-02-the-war-z-review

http://www.ign.com/blogs/s3bass/2012/12/27/the-war-z-some-things-should-stay-dead-game-review

http://uk.pc.gamespy.com/pc/the-war-z/1227010p1.html


Here is how the scam cycle works:

Sergey Titov and Hammerpoint are marketing this game primarily to kids and people excited about anything 'zombie' who are understandably uninformed and quick on the buy-button draw, they dont do a lot of research before they buy because hey, who doesn't want a sandbox zombie apocalypse game with all these features right ?.

These gamers are then sold on the premise that this is a wonderful zombie apocalypse MMO with all kinds of features, and the gamers believe the false screenshots and game contents promises. They are sold on the false information that is in the War Z advertisements without the knowledge that they are being scammed....

and Sergey is making a fortune in the quick cash grab.....

then Sergey and his thugs will dump the game and move on to the next quick cash grab, which they will also more than likely market fraudulently to uninformed kids and advertisement trusting gamers again,...

They will do this all under the protection of a 'limited liability corporation', which exempts any actual person from taking responsibility for their actions or have any monetary accountability when the law does catch up with them and the company is shut down. By then the money is long gone, and slushed into other accounts or capital ventures.



be an informed consumer that stands up for your rights:

http://warzscam.tumblr.com/

.
jpate81 Jan 6, 2013 @ 11:51am 
Originally posted by WarZ aint World War Z:
Originally posted by MrShemp:
It's people expressing themselves. If you don't like it, go to the My Little Pony site. You'll get lots of fresh threads there.

you want expressions about this scam of a game you say?:


Only way to survive War Z is play like 95% of the players left in War Z....run an aimbot hack that is freely distributed just about everywhere now.

Taken from ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ War Z news update:

"Our WarZ cheat is simply the most popular cheat we ever had online here at ilikecheats."

http://www.♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥/?blog=the-warz-cheat-update-news


so yeah...... have fun trying to have a playable session in this game.

http://kotaku.com/5971650/maybe-the-warz-is-more-fun-if-you-use-cheats



how's the progress of any anticheat system coming in War Z ?
how long have they promised it's inclusion ?

be informed about how the game 'actually' plays before you buy into the fraud and enable the scam that takes your money due to not telling you the truth about the game when you bought it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ul8r5HN6k98

http://youtu.be/RtKAm3nzg6I


I can honestly say this:

"Caveat emptor" ... but know the truth about what you are buying first.


Rhinocrunch video series :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=JUlhkTIzUa4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=FXKu5lV69V8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=5SvhJubPtAA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=eOrNAKJbHpc


http://i.imgur.com/u35YS.jpg
original art in War Z ?

and it goes way beyond the plagiarized art, its also questionable audio, recycled resources and textures, the stolen terms of service, suspended trademarks, zero ingame anticheat while also charging real money for items yet you lose them permanently when you get ganked by a hacker, etc, etc ,etc....

not to mention the review scores on all the major gaming sites like pc gamer and metacritic and many others, the major media exposures by outlets such as BBC, Forbes, etc.,,,and the investigations by the BBB and FTC.

the game is so unsecure taht even an emulator is freely available online, as well as rampant free distribution of hacks and cheats.

the list of proof against this developer is looooong. I could go on and give proven examples for a long long time.

Beware buyers !.... seriously, dont fall for the misleading marketing of this money grab scam.


http://www.pcgamer.com/2012/12/29/the-greatest-gaming-controversies-of-2012/5/#gallery-top

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-01-02-the-war-z-review

http://www.ign.com/blogs/s3bass/2012/12/27/the-war-z-some-things-should-stay-dead-game-review

http://uk.pc.gamespy.com/pc/the-war-z/1227010p1.html


Here is how the scam cycle works:

Sergey Titov and Hammerpoint are marketing this game primarily to kids and people excited about anything 'zombie' who are understandably uninformed and quick on the buy-button draw, they dont do a lot of research before they buy because hey, who doesn't want a sandbox zombie apocalypse game with all these features right ?.

These gamers are then sold on the premise that this is a wonderful zombie apocalypse MMO with all kinds of features, and the gamers believe the false screenshots and game contents promises. They are sold on the false information that is in the War Z advertisements without the knowledge that they are being scammed....

and Sergey is making a fortune in the quick cash grab.....

then Sergey and his thugs will dump the game and move on to the next quick cash grab, which they will also more than likely market fraudulently to uninformed kids and advertisement trusting gamers again,...

They will do this all under the protection of a 'limited liability corporation', which exempts any actual person from taking responsibility for their actions or have any monetary accountability when the law does catch up with them and the company is shut down. By then the money is long gone, and slushed into other accounts or capital ventures.



be an informed consumer that stands up for your rights:

http://warzscam.tumblr.com/

.

That was like 3 weeks ago man, quit living in the past. :)
Micket Jan 6, 2013 @ 12:23pm 
Learn to play DayZ before you call WarZ better, you probably don't have any friends to play with either, that makes a huge difference in the amount of fun you can have in a survival game, being a lone wolf is boring as feck in these games.
PadyEos Jan 6, 2013 @ 2:44pm 
Originally posted by LostBoysLandor:
i get spotted by zombies a mile away from crouching

You don know there are such things as different difficulty servers for DayZ, right?
And you can even make your own custom server for free and run it on your PC for only you and your friends and if you can't handle it you can make the zombies even more reatded than in WarZ.

Originally posted by LostBoysLandor:
personally i enjoyed warz over dayz
I think your subcontious is regretting buying WarZ... you are just not there yet as far as admitting it goes...
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