***** Oct 15, 2013 @ 9:36pm
Humble Bundle - Issues and complaints
I'm super ♥♥♥♥ed that the Humble Bundle version is single player only. The entire point of the Worms series for me is the multiplayer experience, whether it's local hotseat or over the network. Nowhere on the Humble Bundle page does it mention that the non-Steam version is gimped. Bait and switch! I was led to believe I was paying money for a complete working copy of the game, DRM-free. Not a demo, not a subset. I bought two bundles so my wife and I could play together, and now that money is flushed down the toilet unless I want to take the time and effort to set up Steam for her and get her comfortable with it (not a small task in her case). And if I do, that copy will be locked to her Steam account forever. If she gets sick of it and never wants to play again I can't uninstall her copy and give it to someone else who will actually play with me. Not at all the kind of experience I've grown to expect with Humble Bundles.

The new Humble Bundle: "DRM-free... unless you actually want all the features you paid for."
Last edited by BenTeam17; Oct 18, 2013 @ 1:27am
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RealAuJus Oct 16, 2013 @ 12:56am 
Thanks for posting this. I was also going to buy this to play co-op with my girlfriend (if the game had it), so I really appreciate the warning.
Reiken13 Oct 16, 2013 @ 1:41am 
i can clearly play it :S
Scognito Oct 16, 2013 @ 4:02am 
On Linux it is single player only, I'm very disappointed, suggest to complain on http://facebook.com/Team17
BenTeam17  [developer] Oct 16, 2013 @ 8:27am 
Hi guys,
I've just posted a response to this concern at the following address:
Link Here

Sorry for the confusion, as there is a temporary issue with the Steam download service.

Kind Regards,
Team17 Support
Last edited by Bethany; Oct 16, 2013 @ 9:51am
***** Oct 16, 2013 @ 10:03am 
Originally posted by BenTeam17:

Sorry for the confusion, as there is a temporary issue with the Steam download service.

Kind Regards,
Team17 Support

Which has nothing to do with the fact that you've intentionally crippled the game for Linux users, yet don't warn them in any way before purchase.

FYI, for anyone who doesn't feel like digging through that other thread:

The Humble Bundle version is an "offline" version (and apparently it's ok not to mention this on the page where they're selling it).

The Linux version only does multiplayer with other people running the Linux version. If you want to play against someone on Windows you're out of luck. You know, because of how Linux network packets are different from Windows packets. That's why we have our own versions of websites...
eqalidan Oct 16, 2013 @ 9:01pm 
Originally posted by *****:
Originally posted by BenTeam17:

Sorry for the confusion, as there is a temporary issue with the Steam download service.

Kind Regards,
Team17 Support

Which has nothing to do with the fact that you've intentionally crippled the game for Linux users, yet don't warn them in any way before purchase.

FYI, for anyone who doesn't feel like digging through that other thread:

The Humble Bundle version is an "offline" version (and apparently it's ok not to mention this on the page where they're selling it).

The Linux version only does multiplayer with other people running the Linux version. If you want to play against someone on Windows you're out of luck. You know, because of how Linux network packets are different from Windows packets. That's why we have our own versions of websites...

i think its more of a patching issue that makes the linux and windows versions incompatible.
now with that said, i think you are stupid for thinking that a drm free version of a somewhat current game, unless you dont know how piracy works at all. from what i can tell, drm free version - no multiplayer, steam version (you get with the bundle) - multiplayer.
***** Oct 16, 2013 @ 11:01pm 
What do you mean, "a patching issue"? That doesn't make sense. What does patching have to do with whether two different clients can speak a common protocol?

As for the DRM-free version, I expect to get what was described on the Humble Bundle page, because that's what I paid for. It said "Worms Reloaded", not "Worms Reloaded with important features removed". And do you honestly think you can't do multiplayer without DRM? Because I've got a drive full of games from previous bundles that says you're full of it.
RealAuJus Oct 17, 2013 @ 3:45am 
Thanks for clarifying, BenTeam17.

As for why there's no multiplayer in the DRM-free versions: I assume they're using Steam's match making tools/servers, and therefore the non-Steam versions would not have access to such tools/servers. For a small budget game, I can't blame them for only supporting multiplayer on Steam. Otherwise, they'd have to buy/rent their own servers and buy/develop server code for doing match making. I could be wrong of course, but I know that's how many small studios do multiplayer.
Mathew9R[9RG][H7] Oct 17, 2013 @ 10:32am 
So this is only happening on the Linux version or is the Windows one from HiB an offline mode one too?
nullzero Oct 17, 2013 @ 11:19am 
ok the DRM-free version has no multiplayer. Got that. But with the steam linux version I can play multiplayer with other linuxes, macs and windows users is that right?
nullzero Oct 17, 2013 @ 12:01pm 
sorry, just checked on another thread, no cross os play :(
Kit Oct 17, 2013 @ 6:13pm 
I think it's kind of silly to complain so heartily about a heavily discounted game you got from a CHARITY organization... (and you got other games, too)
It's a simple matter to set up steam, and you can even put a shortcut on their desktop so she doesn't have to deal with the steam client herself ever. Not being able to transfer the game later is a moot point if you want to abide by the Humble Bundle TOS (though it seems more like an honors system)
For what it's worth, the game uses your Steam icons in online play, so I would think they DO use your steam account to go online. Though I admit it must be very frustrating to find this out only after you've paid for it.

By they way, in case you didn't know and you're interested, you do have the ability to play multiplayer offline on a single computer (hotseat), just like how you could for the playstation version. I've done a 3 player multiplayer this way before. This would only be useful if you want to play with someone really nearby though.

Whatever you decide to do, I hope it works out and that you two get to enjoy the game together =)
And if you're displeased enough, I think you can edit your payment so no money goes to any of the game creators (like so you just give it all to charity and not to those no-good developers haha). I may be wrong about that though cause i've never done it after already paying.

PS I just checked the Humble Bundle page and it says

"Note: Worms Reloaded requires Steam for networked multiplayer (included in the bundle). The DRM-free version is limited to local "hotseat" multiplayer. Each platform can only network with itself."

So either you've missed that or it was a big enough problem that now they are telling people.
***** Oct 17, 2013 @ 6:48pm 
Originally posted by Kit:
I think it's kind of silly to complain so heartily about a heavily discounted game you got from a CHARITY organization... (and you got other games, too)
It's a simple matter to set up steam, and you can even put a shortcut on their desktop so she doesn't have to deal with the steam client herself ever. Not being able to transfer the game later is a moot point if you want to abide by the Humble Bundle TOS (though it seems more like an honors system)
For what it's worth, the game uses your Steam icons in online play, so I would think they DO use your steam account to go online. Though I admit it must be very frustrating to find this out only after you've paid for it.

By they way, in case you didn't know and you're interested, you do have the ability to play multiplayer offline on a single computer (hotseat), just like how you could for the playstation version. I've done a 3 player multiplayer this way before. This would only be useful if you want to play with someone really nearby though.

Whatever you decide to do, I hope it works out and that you two get to enjoy the game together =)
And if you're displeased enough, I think you can edit your payment so no money goes to any of the game creators (like so you just give it all to charity and not to those no-good developers haha). I may be wrong about that though cause i've never done it after already paying.

PS I just checked the Humble Bundle page and it says

"Note: Worms Reloaded requires Steam for networked multiplayer (included in the bundle). The DRM-free version is limited to local "hotseat" multiplayer. Each platform can only network with itself."

So either you've missed that or it was a big enough problem that now they are telling people.

- It's heavily discounted only based on how much you choose to pay for it. I personally paid a significant percentage of the normal retail price, as I usually do, as a way to reward the developer for porting to Linux and nixing the DRM.

- Discounted or not, charity system or not, the point is that I was spending money to get a product, so I expect to get the product I paid for. It's not like the developers don't plan on making money off these bundles too.

- The fact that I also got other games in the bundle does nothing to excuse the false advertising of this one. It's especially meaningless to me since I don't care about any of the other games and only bought the bundle to get Worms.

- I see no moral or legal problem with transferring a game I own to another system as long as it's removed from the original system. But I admit I haven't read the HB TOS on the subject.

- I'm aware of the payment editing option, and I've been seriously considering it. It doesn't get my money back, but I'd much rather see it go towards Child's Play than a dev I feel has shafted me. But a working Worms is worth the money, so I'm holding off until I hear a proper explanation of why there's no cross-platform multiplayer. An explanation that one of the devs has said is forthcoming but that I've yet to see.

- Yes, that note on the bundle page is new. I sent them an email about the problem, so maybe others did as well.
[UGUF] Merkules Oct 18, 2013 @ 1:31am 
Originally posted by *****:
- I see no moral or legal problem with transferring a game I own to another system as long as it's removed from the original system. But I admit I haven't read the HB TOS on the subject.

Technically, you're not even allowed to give extra steam keys to other people. But not only does Humble not enforce that, some devs encourage it (Ronimo flat out said give your extra Awesomenauts key to a friend when HiB 8 came out). Regardless, Team 17 enforcing a ToS when even the people who wrote it don't really care is kind of silly.

Originally posted by *****:
But a working Worms is worth the money, so I'm holding off until I hear a proper explanation of why there's no cross-platform multiplayer. An explanation that one of the devs has said is forthcoming but that I've yet to see.

I still say Linux or no Linux, there are better Worms games to be had. Anyone who plays on Windows should just get Armageddon if they're an old Wormer, and Clan Wars if you want a more modern Worms game. Cross platform play would be awesome to have in this game (and a nice precedent to set towards other games having it), but the core game as a whole feels nerfed compared to past or even current games (even Revolution has more satisfying physics for explosions and the rope, and a lot of people *hate* the Revolution style rope with a passion).
BenTeam17  [developer] Oct 18, 2013 @ 1:40am 
Hello Worms fans,


Team17 would like to extended it’s genuine apologies for the confusion caused by the recently released, Humble Bundle 7, including Worms Reloaded.

Unfortunately, there have been several issues with this release which we will address individually now.


Download Issues

There was a temporary fault with the Steam distribution service which resulted in ‘phantom downloads’, containing no data. Any users who attempted to install the game during the affected period would have received various errors and ultimately, not have been able to run the game.
Please know that Steam’s support team has resolved this issue and the game should now be immediately available for download on Linux and Windows.



Multiplayer Support

Information on the details of this may not have been as clear as we originally thought in the games listing.
It was our feeling at the time that the DRM-free element of the Humble Bundle issued copy of this title would strongly suggest it’s lack of multiplayer.
We are sorry for any confusion caused by this.

Please know that the facts regarding multiplayer are as follows:

1. Multiplayer is not available on the direct-download distribution of this title as it’s nature would cause potential problems
2. Multiplayer IS available on the distribution through the Steam client
3. If you have spent an amount equal to / greater than one U.S Dollar, you are entitled to both of the above releases, meaning that you do have access to multiplayer through Steam
4. Where multiplayer is available, it can only be played between similar platforms: Windows VS Windows, Linux VS Linux.


Humble Bundle have added the following information to the listing of Worms Reloaded:

"Note: Worms Reloaded requires Steam for networked multiplayer (included in the bundle). The DRM-free version is limited to local "hotseat" multiplayer. Each platform can only network with itself."

In response to the concerns over 'cross-platform, the more detailed explanation of the game above has been posted to prevent further confusion.


Thanks to those in the community who have been so understanding and patient.

For those who are less understanding of these matters and are still unhappy, Humble Bundle have confirmed that they are willing to issue refunds if requested to the following address: contact@humblebundle.com


Kind Regards,
Team17 Support

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