Duke Nukem 3D: Megaton Edition

Duke Nukem 3D: Megaton Edition

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The One And Only Mar 16, 2014 @ 11:01am
Would you welcome 'Duke Begins'?
Its been long rumoured even though it has hardly been heard of for years, what do you guys think of a reboot? I see it as a thing the franchise needs.

I picture it as this:
Duke Nukem forever was the 'Batman and Robin' (that crappy film) of the franchise.
The series needs a reboot, so they make 'Duke begins', a dark, gritty and serious take on duke starting as an origin story.

Not only has it got potential but you already have a very small parody of the batman franchise in there which is what duke is known for. All the jokes could be left out of key moments and not everything that comes out of dukes mouth should have to be a one liner, if ever. What if it was a super realistic game but at the same time it had its over the top moments. That means not just shooting aliens to save boobies. It should still be duke, so that means tons of guns and loads of badassery.

I think this could be done, what do you guys think?...

http://dukenukem.wikia.com/wiki/Duke_Begins
Last edited by The One And Only; Mar 16, 2014 @ 11:03am
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Henne <3 Mar 16, 2014 @ 11:33am 
Gearbox can go ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ itself, they screwed up DNF, Aliens: Colonial Marines. And they'll never pass on the rights for the game. So ... I hope they scap the idea in general :D
The One And Only Mar 16, 2014 @ 11:41am 
Originally posted by FEIH Henne GER:
Gearbox can go ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ itself, they screwed up DNF, Aliens: Colonial Marines. And they'll never pass on the rights for the game. So ... I hope they scap the idea in general :D

Or pass it on to someone else, which they wont do haha :P
Earth Mar 16, 2014 @ 12:22pm 
Never buying anything from Gearbox again.
JaCe!!! Mar 16, 2014 @ 1:34pm 
Originally posted by Earth:
Never buying anything from Gearbox again.
They were a good company, they made those cool Half-life expansions although there other stuff was bad. And most of Duke Nukem Forever was made from 3D realms, Gearbox just pieced it together.
AN BIFFED ELF!!!! Mar 16, 2014 @ 3:10pm 
No
Unbekannter Mar 16, 2014 @ 7:01pm 
The only thing I would welcome, is a remake of THIS epic game, but not some other Duke game, ... really dislike what they did, ... 3rd person Duke? And the last one, I personally think was lacking that old Duke Nukem touch.
MashSuper Mar 16, 2014 @ 10:24pm 
In this day and age it would be very hard to find a balance. I actually really think i was one of the only people to like duke nukem forever.

I do feel it might be fun to put duke out of his element so to speak, like what some of the older console games did (time to kill and such).

Like possibly Duke actually having to save the world not from an alien threat but possibly another branch of human military threat as well...just thoughts.

MashSuper Mar 16, 2014 @ 10:27pm 
Originally posted by FEIH Henne GER:
Gearbox can go ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ itself, they screwed up DNF, Aliens: Colonial Marines. And they'll never pass on the rights for the game. So ... I hope they scap the idea in general :D

I think one thing that people also kind of forget is that they really wanted to get the game out for the fans.

But something people also must realize is that they just took the game and "finished" it..so they took old 90's code and just finished it.

it was not a ground up type of project (also in later interviews this is why Gearbox wanted to make "their own duke game" after forever was released).
Wilderness Mar 17, 2014 @ 8:26am 
Duke Begins was never really heard of at all, we only got to know about it because of the Take2/3D Realms lawsuit back in 2009, and already then it hadn't been worked on for quite some time if it even went into actual production at all.

As for a "reboot", I think no way Duke needs it. You do a reboot when you have painted yourself into a corner storywise and the backstory starts to become too limiting. With Duke you don't really have no limits, as there is very little carry-over between games and story wasn't the focus at any time anyway. You can have all new enemies and characters (as they have done in the past), all new weapons, tools, locations; space travel and time travel was introduced already in the very first Duke Nukem game. With all those possibilities, there's no need to reboot, you can just ignore what you don't like and go on forward.

As for a "dark and gritty" take, I say no damn way. Stay to your Gears of War. One of the things that made Duke 3D so awesome back in the day was that serious-yet-lighthearted 80's mood. It was both cool, funny, scary, "erotic", at the same time more or less, something they didn't pull off as well in Duke Forever. But that balance is what they should strive for.

The idea to make a Duke Nukem prequel is also stupid, as Duke's backstory was never what made us like him as a character. Duke is all about what he does, not what he was.

On a side note, Gearbox gets way too much slack for DNF; while they're not responsible for the design they ARE responsible for the poor state the game was released in which was it's real problem. Instead of polishing the game, they had the team work on DLC and Borderlands DLC while they delayed the game for another two years. Broken animations are some of the first things you see in the game, they have no excuse for not touching that stuff up.
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Oook Mar 17, 2014 @ 9:40am 
Batman and Robin was awesome, a permanent parabasis, sort of deconstruction of the genre. Such a misunderstood achievement of Hollywood industry. Now that superheroes' crap is everywhere again, another exercise of destructive irony like that would be welcome.

As for our Duke, I fear what crimes Gearbox can perpetrate, but still am very excited for a new game; we must not forget that Forever was more a 3DRealms thing than GBX.
I highly agree with what the previous user said.
The One And Only Mar 17, 2014 @ 9:46am 
Originally posted by haha nerds...:
Duke Begins was never really heard of at all, we only got to know about it because of the Take2/3D Realms lawsuit back in 2009, and already then it hadn't been worked on for quite some time if it even went into actual production at all.

As for a "reboot", I think no way Duke needs it. You do a reboot when you have painted yourself into a corner storywise and the backstory starts to become too limiting. With Duke you don't really have no limits, as there is very little carry-over between games and story wasn't the focus at any time anyway. You can have all new enemies and characters (as they have done in the past), all new weapons, tools, locations; space travel and time travel was introduced already in the very first Duke Nukem game. With all those possibilities, there's no need to reboot, you can just ignore what you don't like and go on forward.

As for a "dark and gritty" take, I say no damn way. Stay to your Gears of War. One of the things that made Duke 3D so awesome back in the day was that serious-yet-lighthearted 80's mood. It was both cool, funny, scary, "erotic", at the same time more or less, something they didn't pull off as well in Duke Forever. But that balance is what they should strive for.

The idea to make a Duke Nukem prequel is also stupid, as Duke's backstory was never what made us like him as a character. Duke is all about what he does, not what he was.

On a side note, Gearbox gets way too much slack for DNF; while they're not responsible for the design they ARE responsible for the poor state the game was released in which was it's real problem. Instead of polishing the game, they had the team work on DLC and Borderlands DLC while they delayed the game for another two years. Broken animations are some of the first things you see in the game, they have no excuse for not touching that stuff up.

At the end of the day, I think I would just welcome any new Duke game, seeing the state the franchise is in at the moment. I suppose you could do anything you wanted with Duke, as you said, there is a vast world in this franchise and any new game will probabally be like a reboot anyway.

My "dark and gritty" idea I heard somewhere else, although i admit "dark and gritty" are words you dont associate with Duke, i suppose i meant a more realistic take on duke, with more story in there. I want to care about Duke! Because lets face it, he was a ♥♥♥♥ in 'Forever' and although that game had its moments, people didnt like it for many reasons, one being the bad jokes. I dont know if thats the time period we are in and we have all grown out of that 80's 90's action hero stuff or its just bad writting (Im guessing its the later).
I WANT a funny Duke game but it has to be done properly, especially if the theme is old school like 'Forever' where it wasn't done properly.

A prequel Duke Nukem is something that clearly doesn't intrest everyone. I would like to play Duke when he was in the army or at least before any alien invasion. Maybe there is a downfall or some personal loss where it could get emotional for Duke and the gamer, but ofcourse we would have to be in stitches by the end of the game.

Onto Gearbox, they haven't proven to me yet that they have what it takes to create a Duke game to rival 'Duke Nukem 3D' (I doubt there are many companys out there that can), but they should at least try. To me they only care about the Borderlands franchise, im unsure about them at the moment.

I guess we will see what happens but this franchise's future looks dim (I dont mean a brown colour pallete like Gears Of War haha, i cant stand them games), i hope im wrong. :D


Wilderness Mar 17, 2014 @ 10:02am 
Originally posted by The One And Only:
At the end of the day, I think I would just welcome any new Duke game, seeing the state the franchise is in at the moment. I suppose you could do anything you wanted with Duke, as you said, there is a vast world in this franchise and any new game will probabally be like a reboot anyway.
I'd welcome a new game also, as long as they don't ♥♥♥♥ it up beyond recognition. While Forever had it's issues, it clearly resembles the series past in most ways, even if you might not like the way it does it.
I really do despise "reboots" that flat out ignores everything the original(s) set out to achieve and what made it unique, and we have seen far too many of those atrocities in the last 10 years IMO, both in games and in movies. If you don't like the source material, stay the ♥♥♥♥ away from it.
My "dark and gritty" idea I heard somewhere else, although i admit "dark and gritty" are words you dont associate with Duke, i suppose i meant a more realistic take on duke, with more story in there. I want to care about Duke! Because lets face it, he was a ♥♥♥♥ in 'Forever' and although that game had its moments, people didnt like it for many reasons, one being the bad jokes. I dont know if thats the time period we are in and we have all grown out of that 80's 90's action hero stuff or its just bad writting (Im guessing its the later).
I WANT a funny Duke game but it has to be done properly, especially if the theme is old school like 'Forever' where it wasn't done properly.
I guess Duke Nukem 3D was kind of "dark and gritty" in its own way, and I wouldn't mind them trying to recapture that, however "dark and gritty" the way it's usually done nowadays would be very "un-Duke" IMO.
It's easy to forget this today when the graphics seem so cartoony etc, but back when 3D was released many of us felt it was quite dark and really scary in places. It certainly wasn't Serious Sam where everything is a joke. Even Terminator 1 has some jokes.
As for the writing in DNF, while I actually do love that game I will not even try to defend the writing. It's ♥♥♥♥ and very poorly stitched together.
But even if the writing was to improve I don't think more story is the way to go, that would reduce the freedom that was one of Duke 3D's hallmarks. I'd rather they went the Half-Life 1 route - while people seem to remember that game as a story-rich experience it actually has very little actual story and highly resembles Duke 3D in its structure.
A prequel Duke Nukem is something that clearly doesn't intrest everyone. I would like to play Duke when he was in the army or at least before any alien invasion. Maybe there is a downfall or some personal loss where it could get emotional for Duke and the gamer, but ofcourse we would have to be in stitches by the end of the game.
I think a Duke prequel would at best be unintersting - because he wouldn't really be Duke yet - and at worst it could ruin the character. Actually I think this is the case with most prequels, especially in action and horror.
Onto Gearbox, they haven't proven to me yet that they have what it takes to create a Duke game to rival 'Duke Nukem 3D' (I doubt there are many companys out there that can), but they should at least try. To me they only care about the Borderlands franchise, im unsure about them at the moment.

I guess we will see what happens but this franchise's future looks dim (I dont mean a brown colour pallete like Gears Of War haha, i cant stand them games), i hope im wrong. :D
I won't dismiss Gearbox before they've made a real attempt, there are many past 3D Realms employees there and if they put their heart into it I think they could pull it off. On the other hand, the way they and Take2 handled DNF would indicate otherwise.
Wilderness Mar 17, 2014 @ 3:18pm 
"Polished up DNF" is just what they didn't do, as I said before while they're not responsible for the design of the game they ARE responsible for the poor state it was released in.
And IMO Borderlands (especially the first one) has worse humour and definitely worse shooting mechanics than DNF. And Borderlands, serious? Come on.

Edit: the post I responded to has been removed.
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