Sarr. Sep 4, 2013 @ 11:58am
female lead
hi all, i wonder if anyone knows whether there is a deeper story behind having female characters in the game. a female protagonist, an old lady, the monsters don't really count as you can't say much about their gender. the first non-female character you can meet is one-handed ninja, however, even though it's not very likely, can one be 100% sure if one-handed ninja is not a she? the main boss, genderless? i'm curious if the game was designed like this and what might have been the reason for that.
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Silv3r9 Sep 4, 2013 @ 8:12pm 
*le gasp*
After you complete the game on hard mode most of your questions will be answered.
Sarr. Sep 5, 2013 @ 12:32am 
oh, ok then, i'll be back when i do just that. the story might explain a bit, but i guess it won't tell whether the developer came up with such story because he wanted to have a game with a female lead in the first place.
Sarr. Sep 5, 2013 @ 2:49pm 
ok, i've finished the game on hard, i've chosen... well... the 'left' option, not to spoil... but none of the questions was answered, both male and female lead would work equally well in that scenario... i'll try to do it again and choose the alternative path [heh, goes without saying ;]
what i'm interested in is whether it was like:
- ok, so we have that nice story, which just happen to have a female lead, let's make a game based on it;
or:
- ok, we want to make a game with a strong female lead, but no boobs and so on, let's write a good story to make it happen;
Silv3r9 Sep 5, 2013 @ 3:26pm 
Well, some of your questions were answered with the true ending.

Thing is, you are interested in knowing all the reasons behind devs using a female character [which is kinda odd specially the part you wonder about pixelated boobs and erm....yeah] so me thinks devs can answer that *runs* >_>
Laidbackuser Sep 5, 2013 @ 4:28pm 
It is just a female character do not see anything so special about that.

I'm wondering why you look so deep into things.
[RGU] The Magic Maguffin Man Sep 7, 2013 @ 5:25am 
If you all up in questions about this just play with the one armed ninja with the dlc :/
Sarr. Sep 7, 2013 @ 7:48am 
ok, now i've finished the game on hard for the second time and i've chosen the other option. i can say that none of my questions were answered [ok, maybe that optional one whether the one armed ninja is a she as well].
as expected i'd say because what i'm asking about can only partly be answered by the in-game story itself. i kinda hoped some of you guys have heard something, an interview with the devs, some post-mortem about the game, maybe some stories about the flash prototype - something i might have missed.
@Silv3r9 - not only about a female character. some games introduce female characters but do that in over-sexualised way, most likely you're familiar with 'boob-physics' term or seen sexy poses in many games - tricks to get male players attention - well, none of that is present here so i'm curious if that was done on purpose, to make a statement of some sort.
Valiant F Sep 7, 2013 @ 11:23am 
You're reading way too deep into this.
Laidbackuser Sep 7, 2013 @ 11:29am 
Originally posted by Fjorgen:
You're reading way too deep into this.

This is what I am thinking.
Sarr. Sep 7, 2013 @ 1:35pm 
maybe it went a wee bit too deep, sure. it's just that not everyday you play a game and realise there are no men in its universe, like they were wiped away somehow [well ok, until you see the 'good' ending that is]. anyway, that would make an interesting take on a post-apocalyptic scenario for sure. i don't remember other games doing that, therefore i asked if anyone else knows if it's a coincidence or not.

at this point i'd say the story is really a bare minimum just to get you started and there was no need for any more characters - as a result there aren't many characters ad it's just a coincidence that majority of those are women.
rpgamer987 Sep 7, 2013 @ 2:44pm 
Pretty sure Smither is probably male. Just look at the size of that bone.
Moldy Towel Sep 9, 2013 @ 2:08am 
There are lots of males in this game. It sounds like you're uncomfortable with the idea of a female lead, which is potentially sexist, but really, dude: chill the heck out. :P
Sarr. Sep 9, 2013 @ 11:28am 
@rpgamer987 - you're right about smither, but not because of the bone ;] to get the molotov, the old lady says: "Oh, talk to smither three times. He bores me, to be honest". i totally forgot about that one... i remember reading all these od lady requests for the first time and wondering what's her role in all this? surely she's a bit too well informed, isn't she? is she the main evil genius here?

@Moldy Towel - oh no, you won't play that card on me. nowhere i say i'm uncomfortable because of that, in fact if any game offers a female protagonist i'd go for it instead of play as stereotypical [usually a dark-haired caucassian] male. in this case i thought at glance that the game has only women in it, and asked if that was intentional. surely i was too quick, at this point my theory is not even valid.
Megadev  [developer] Sep 12, 2013 @ 4:32am 
We just fancied making a game with a female lead character for a change - we weren't trying to make a statement or anything like that. There's a lot of talk about female roles in videogames at the moment though; Anita Sarkeesian has a lot to say about it over at FeministFrequency:

http://www.feministfrequency.com/tag/tropes-vs-women-in-video-games/

We did slightly poke fun at the overly-sexualised game advertising from the 80s and 90s with our SHODN flyer though:

http://www.megadev.co.uk/SHODN/shodn_flyer.jpg

Anyway, just enjoy the game! :)
Sarr. Sep 15, 2013 @ 12:54pm 
yeah, i'm enjoying the game, no worries ;]

so i see even the dev himself showed up - thx for the explanation. when i was asking these questions i thought the game is taking place in female-only universe and that the old lady has something to do with that. obviously it's not true, i was just asking too quick.

i'm familiar with anita's videos, but IMO one should take these with a grain of salt, to say the least. the web site title mentions 'conversations with pop culture' but what she does is rather a monolog with predefined conclusions backed up by cherry picking examples, often out of context. she has a few valid points that would make you think but i wouldn't agree with majority of her conclusions. again, IMO. i guess anita would describe SHODN lead as a male-wannabe and therefore not a real female lead.

i don't find the advert overly-sexualised, i like the look of it - a person cosplayed a character, a few screenshots and a listing of features - the same spirit as the old 16-bit sega meda drive adverts from back then.
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