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Seraphyx May 10 @ 2:56pm
"Free to play" worse for people who bought the game?
Okay so I think the situation with Defiance going free to play is a bit... unusual, not unexpected, but unusual since it was a buy to play game with NO monthly sub but now after going free to play there is going to be an option to subscribe for what seems to me like pretty significant benefits.

These people already paid for the game and now you want them to also pay monthly to get everything the game has to offer (excluding expansions). Honestly, it feels like a slap to the face for those who spent 40-50 dollars or more for the special editions.

Since the game didn't have a sub fee from the start I think it will rub a lot of the current playerbase the wrong way. In addition to the cash shop and paying for the expansions. To me it feels like you're trying to milk people out of every bit of money they have in every way you can think of.

For people who never paid for the game or got it on sale like me, it may not be as bad since you probably wont feel like you're losing anything or missing out on much. I know everyone who purchased the game gets the 30 day bonus crap but that hardly seems worthwhile assuming it will cost 10-15 dollars a month.

It just feels too greedy to me.
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neoVictrix May 10 @ 3:54pm 
The people that are the most upset are the some of the ones that've had time and money invested into the game since it's launch. With the more recent updates (such as the damage update), basically all the weapons they've (the people from day 1) aquired prior are now not up-to-par with the enemies, and thus have to trash them all to aquire a completely new set of weapons. Warframe had a similar thing with it's Damage 2.0 update, but people adapted to it much like how some people have with Defiance.

Also, some of these people are also the ones that feel as though the 30 day patron pass thing isn't enough for their investment into the game. I'm not saying everyone from the game's launch feels that way, it's just certain individuals pretty much feel as though they deserve more than what Trion is giving them.

During the livestream announcement some time ago, they did say that future content wouldn't be shipped out like DLC or anything, so it should follow content updates similar to Rift or games like GW2 (only listing GW2 in there because I don't really know the exact method that Rift uses for content updates, I'm just assuming it's free content updates with new toys that get thrown in the game shop).

Is it greedy for them to have the sub option have those bonus boosts? Dunno, honestly.
Other games have optional subscriptions (Tera, TSW, Mabinogi, Everquest [could be wrong about Everquest]), but the only people that are going to pay for it are the ones that enjoy the game and want to support it in that way. For everyone else that doesn't like the game that much, they might spend a little on the game shop.

Suppose it depends on who you ask. Some might feel it's greedy, some might feel Trion needs to give them more. I will say this though - the fact that Arkforge can be purchased, and the fact that A LOT of people will be likely to use it to improve their weapons, they could've offered a small monthly thing of Arkforge to subscribers in addition to the boosts.

Because even though Arkforge can be obtained through getting a high rank placing in those Arkfall events and such, most of the time that'll be people that've been playing since around launch. So for those that can't place that high, they'll be buying it. A lot of it.
The Aftermath May 10 @ 6:06pm 
When making a game such as this, you must remember that it is based on a TV show.
Which also invested into the game so the game ins't going anywhere, ( season 2 of the show is ouot soon) Also, to make the game more intertwimed into the show, Alot of the world's backbone has to be fixed which is what they have been doing the whole time ( we are paying to play an extended Bete, Charlie version if you prefer)

Once the backbone is fixed, worl exspansion of towns and what not will apear.

as for the launch players, STO gave us prefferance by giving us bonus in game money each month and special ships not easily obtained or not obtained at all by other players.

basicly players can choose to stick it out, and will have braggin rights special gear over other players.
Free to play will just be base game, stopping players at events. buying new content to exspand your game is actually not a rip off, this comes down to your time investment.

If your cool with the amount of game you got then .... cool
But if you need MORE, then game exspansions willprob have to be bought. OR do as star trek online does, Free content but special items like outfits cost money. It wont be pay to win as again STO has a store in game BUT, nothing in the store is Over powered over the regular players. just differant.

The backbone is the key however. To fix the issues of a world still being built.
If you know any amount of game coding, you'd agree teh code is exstensive and complicated.


I have bnought the DLC, as i wanted to continue my playing as it does get repititous.
I will keep playing as I love the show. The game WILL get to a good level, and new players will be unaware of the dramtic changes as launch players will be able to appreciate them and how far the game does progress.
But the Backbone is the key to make an amazing world.


The show has all the rendered towns, allthe rendered special stuff. Wich will get into the game. at some time in the future. Just hang tight.

jconan7777777 May 10 @ 6:06pm 
You don't need the arkforge keys to play, just buy stuff....i didn't buy the dlc's either but i still play and i could care less about the junk they sell.
weirdphil May 10 @ 7:05pm 
Your post is kinda backwards. I bought the game and the season pass. I am not losing anything at all by not becoming a monthly patron. I think the real question is, do you already spend $15 or more a month on boosts and arkforge caches? Because I don't. You can play the game perfectly fine without monthly caches of arkforge and boosts.
Raymar May 10 @ 8:03pm 
Originally posted by weirdphil:
Your post is kinda backwards. I bought the game and the season pass. I am not losing anything at all by not becoming a monthly patron. I think the real question is, do you already spend $15 or more a month on boosts and arkforge caches? Because I don't. You can play the game perfectly fine without monthly caches of arkforge and boosts.
Yeah it is. I think that Trion has a bit fair premium systems in their games, so that's why I can trust them about ArcheAge, which was stomped in donate galore already in Russia.
Seraphyx May 10 @ 11:15pm 
Originally posted by weirdphil:
Your post is kinda backwards. I bought the game and the season pass. I am not losing anything at all by not becoming a monthly patron. I think the real question is, do you already spend $15 or more a month on boosts and arkforge caches? Because I don't. You can play the game perfectly fine without monthly caches of arkforge and boosts.

May have worded it poorly, I think I meant to say people who spent money on the game (lets say the 50 dollars plus season pass) will feel like they are at a disadvantage against people who play for free and only spend 10-15 a month, and if they want to keep up they will have to continue spending more money even though they've spent so much already.

This might not be an issue, I can't predict the future. I just know a lot of games that go free to play and offer optional subs go a bit crazy with the benefits they give. Aside from that I know everyone has their own perspective on things. Some early adopters might not be bothered by it at all, others might.

The way I see it they just had so many sources of revenue: the game, dlcs, season pass, cash shop in-game. And now that it's going free to play they STILL have all those minus the base game price which isn't much anyway right now, but that's replaced by the optional sub which will likely make them far more money than a single purchase price anyway. So yeah, to me it does come off as a bit greedy.

I'm not trying to sound ungrateful or anything, I picked it up for 8-12 dollars during a sale. I got plenty of time out of the game for the amount of money spent. About 20-30 hours during betas and whatever I have now on Steam, maybe 40-60 hours. The inventory slots and all that stuff is nice so I'm fine with it, but I can't help but think that if I was one of the people who paid full price and invested money in the dlcs I'd be a bit upset by this.
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The Rock God May 11 @ 4:32am 
Originally posted by Seraphyx:
May have worded it poorly, I think I meant to say people who spent money on the game (lets say the 50 dollars plus season pass) will feel like they are at a disadvantage against people who play for free and only spend 10-15 a month, and if they want to keep up they will have to continue spending more money even though they've spent so much already.

Keep up with what? If you've been playing a while you're already at a high EGO level. The boost to levelling isn't worth paying for. Neither is anything else patron offers you. Besides buying a bunch of Bits to get more inventory slots (a year ago), I haven't spent anything on the game siince launch. Going f2p won't change a thing for me.
jconan7777777 May 11 @ 9:20am 
You are at a disadvantage in most games if you haven't been playing for awhile these days. The f2p model insures a fresh supply of potential game buyers and canon fodder for the paying gamers.
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