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Parkranger Oct 5, 2013 @ 1:42am
New to DCS, could use some advice :)
Hello, i've been looking for a new game to play, i love War Thunder and World of Tanks but i would like to see what other, more realistic games there are. DCS came up quite a bit in my search.

Along side this i am seriously considering joining the Air Force or the National Guard. This is not a phase brought up from playing games but something that has always interested me due to my father and his brother who served in the navy.

Anyways my main interest is some day becoming a commercial heli pilot. I figured why not start with a sim?

As far as budget equipment goes ive been recommended

http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Extreme-Joystick-Silver-Black/dp/B00009OY9U/
or
http://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-Flight-Hotas-Flight-Playstation-3/dp/B001CXYMFS/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1380962388&sr=1-1&

My only question is how to simulate the Anti-torgue pedals? and which program do people use to look around the cockpit?

I know its a lot to ask for, but i figure this is the best place to look for some advice.
Much appreciated friends

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rim6o Oct 5, 2013 @ 1:53am 
http://steamcommunity.com/app/223750/discussions/0/864980277985802503/#c864980278036654755
And further down. Please read carefully before buying any joystick or a set.

Both sticks you've linked to use the mentioned poor potentiometers (sensors). If you're really really for one of them, go with the Thrustmaster one.

Pedals:
The Thrustmaster has a rocker on the front of the throttle lever to map to your Yaw (Z) axis. But for the best experience you should buy proper pedals. I'd go for one of the 2 available Saitek models. The CH Products' ones are too narrow. Neither of the pedals sets use the poor sensors mentioned, AFAIK.

Looking around:
TrackIR or one of the free alternatives, e.g. FreeTrack.
Here's a proper forum section for you
http://forums.eagle.ru/forumdisplay.php?f=96

Best place to ask:
No, it's not the steam community. It's the relevant original community forum. Asking here forces us to duplicate infor that's already on ED Forums. (forums.eagle.ru)

Commercial heli:
Mi-8 and Huey both have been released recently and both are a military-grade (ultra-realistic) simulators.

A trivia:
DCS A-10C Warthog (a version of it, in many ways less feature packed than the one you can buy!) is used for training (as DTS) in Air National Guard!
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Wadeyboy Oct 5, 2013 @ 2:00am 
The best way of looking around the cockpit and around your environment is without doubt a product called Track IR:
http://www.naturalpoint.com/trackir/products/trackir5/ and in YouTube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_AO0F5sLdVM
As for joysticks and pedals, everybody has different opinions but if you can afford to, I would go for Thrustmaster's more upmarket (and much more expensive) Hotas flight controls. But that really is subjective
rim6o Oct 5, 2013 @ 2:38am 
Originally posted by Wadeyboy:
I would go for Thrustmaster's more upmarket (and much more expensive) Hotas flight controls. But that really is subjective
Just keep in mind that their Warthog uses good contacless sensors, while their Cougar uses the poor potentiometers, >exactly the same you find in THE CHEAPEST joysticks on the market<. Yup, those $20 ones.
Parkranger Oct 5, 2013 @ 2:41am 
Thanks for the info, ill check out TrackIR and the ED forums
[SCoRPioN] (Banned) Oct 5, 2013 @ 2:28pm 
If you have a webcam, you can also try using the free FaceTrackNoIR.
It works with a decent webcam and lighting and some configuring adjustments.
Not all jets have 6DOF cockpits, so for Su-25T for example, only Pitch and Yaw should be used.
realist123 Oct 5, 2013 @ 4:30pm 
This is the stick I have

http://www.amazon.com/ThrustMaster-2960706-T-16000M-Joystick-for/dp/B001EAWNKK/ref=sr_1_2?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1381014858&sr=1-2&keywords=Thrustmaster+T16000M

After looking at the ones you mentioned OP, I think I prefer mine. I've seen a customer review that said the Logitech Extreme 3D Pro breaks fairly easily. The POV hatswitch also looks too big from your link, for my tastes.

The Thrustmaster you linked seems to have the POV hatswitch in an awkward place to the left of the top of the stick. If you plan on using the POV hatswitch to look around the cockpit and outside this may be awkward. My T16000M is pretty easy and good to look around the cockpit with.

I've had the T16000M for a year now, I played fairly often the first 6 months and haven't had a problem. I only have the Su 25T and A10C and it works good with those. I'm happy. I don't know how it plays with the Huey or other helicopters the stick could be a$$ with helicopters.

The good thing about the T16000M is it has 12 buttons at the base of the stick. A con is the stick doesn't feel too realistic; noticed after you use it for awhile. The 12 buttons come in handy though making the stick pretty functional. The good thing (I assume) about the Thrustmaster in your link is it has a big throttle while my T16000M only has a small slider. The Thrustmaster you mention though seems to not have as many buttons.

Just thought I would throw a link out there of what I use. I can vouch for it working with the A10C and Su-25T, but I don't know how it will work with helicopters (maybe not too well, a guess).
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rim6o Oct 6, 2013 @ 1:56am 
@realist123
Excellent recommendation! This bad boy is cheap but has an excellent contactless magnetic sensor for its main exes (X and Y)! I forgot about it!

Chameleon_Silk Oct 6, 2013 @ 6:38am 
Facetracknoir in my opinion is not worth the time setting up, its accuracy sucks, jittery and often it forgets where you head is, lighting has to be perfect, it eats up more cpu cycles = lower fps in game.

its fun to toy with but that fun is ruined by its poor percision and the fact it might go wonky mid flight and leave you trying to fly while looking at your left kneecap. not very much fun.
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Cenobite Oct 9, 2013 @ 6:50pm 
Essential kit in my opinion is Track IR, would cheap out on the HOTAS if it meant not affording track IR.
I use a TM Hotas Warthog but for a year or so (had a break from PC gaming and was just getting back into flight sims) I used a Logi 3D extreme and it was still going strong, so you can get away with potentiometers if cost is an issue.

RootCookie Oct 11, 2013 @ 7:51am 
Id say get a kick ♥♥♥ HOTAS 1st, The Warthog truley is an amazing piece of kit and you wont be disapointed. The way I saw it is id rather get a good quality HOTAS that will last me probably a lifetime rather than finding I wanted to upgrade a year or two later.

Ofcoure this meant I didnt buy TrackIR, but you can use FreeTrack and a normal webcam, also cheapish pedals till you can spend a bit more (unless you wanna fly chopper).
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rim6o Oct 11, 2013 @ 1:02pm 
To anyone - you're making a mistake choosing TrackIR over rudder pedals, if you're short on cash. Unless you're about to put together DIY pedals (do it yourself).
Bjazzle Oct 11, 2013 @ 3:37pm 
what about the HOTAS Saitek X52 pro? I heard a lot of good reviews about this.
rim6o Oct 16, 2013 @ 1:30pm 
Originally posted by Bjazzle:
what about the HOTAS Saitek X52 pro? I heard a lot of good reviews about this.
Very few improvements, most considerably the centering mechanism, still far from 'well done' though. Everything else I wrote on X-52 applies to X-52 Pro, including the necessity to modify the hall sensors.
Parkranger Oct 19, 2013 @ 8:37am 
I could pick up the t16 Thrustmaster stick now for 50% off, do you think this would be better than paying 200ish for a Saitek? the only problem is it doesnt come with a throttle.
For a heli sim i assume its necessary to have one for the collective control, but i have no idea.

In regards to getting the warthog if i wasnt completely new to this id be comfortable spending more than 200 on a stick, but i still would like Trackir5 and need the actual game

Also just to update i was able to pick up the Saitek pro rudder pedals, quite happy with how they look :)
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rim6o Oct 20, 2013 @ 6:25am 
Originally posted by Parkranger:
I could pick up the t16 Thrustmaster stick now for 50% off, do you think this would be better than paying 200ish for a Saitek? the only problem is it doesnt come with a throttle.
For a heli sim i assume its necessary to have one for the collective control, but i have no idea.

In regards to getting the warthog if i wasnt completely new to this id be comfortable spending more than 200 on a stick, but i still would like Trackir5 and need the actual game

Also just to update i was able to pick up the Saitek pro rudder pedals, quite happy with how they look :)
It's up to you to decide. I can only warn you that altough T16k has throttle slider it most probably uses poor sensors, just like its rudder axis (Z, twist grip).

You can see its guts here
http://riseofflight.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=350&t=14397
http://www.majhost.com/gallery/JonathanH/RiseOfFlightSkins/t.16000_1.jpg (junk potentiometer in all of its glory, unfortunately most sticks come with such sensors)
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