hcaptaindale Mar 14 @ 2:20pm
Will the AI in red dragon be cheating as much as in the first two?
Hi , anyone know if the AI is being made on a more even basis? as the way the AI cheats is the only downer on the first two.

I don't have the time to put in hours and hours of gameplay but I enjoy these games immensly. I just think a AI seting for those that can only use these games sparingly in mind would be helpfull.

Also , anyone know if the random events feature and reports of other theaters of the war will appear in the campaigns too?
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corpsman-up Mar 14 @ 5:21pm 
One of the Devblogs (7?) said that the AI was being reworked from the ground up to be better. They're reworking it to not react to unspotted units like it currently does, be on an even points scale, and be able to use any deck you give it (yes, the AI is going to be able to use player-created decks).

I haven't heard anything about the campaign yet, sorry
Mitth'raw'nuruodo Mar 14 @ 6:28pm 
Currently does the AI have unlimited command points / unlimited units? I tried to play this game at a friends place seeing the "wargame" in its title, but it felt extremely arcady (given they call it a wargame). The AI seemed to keep spamming units like a generic RTS, while my options were limited.
corpsman-up Mar 14 @ 6:35pm 
It starts with a surplus of command points, because a human player can make much more flexible decisions I guess. Not unlimited units, just a TON of them. Again, because supposedly a human can out-do AI a lot so they gave some rather gamey and foolish advantages. They recognize this and are changing it.

Anyway, this is pretty much entirely an MP game so don't get it just for SP even if they improve it. Keep that in mind.
Mitth'raw'nuruodo Mar 14 @ 6:52pm 
Yeah I wont get it. I am looking for real time wargames. Graviteam Tactics is the only steam game worth spending money on those lines. I wish they would someday bring Command Ops to steam.

This so called wargame seems just a step above games like Starcraft.
corpsman-up Mar 14 @ 7:05pm 
You haven't really played it outside SP...so it's a bit unfounded since the MP is absolutly *nothing* like the SP, like Starcraft compared to something Table Top.

It's fairly realistic without becoming unaccesabile to pretty much anyone, not meant to be a hard simulator like some out there. If it's not for you, it's not for you. Lots of other damn good simulators too hahaha. I find it fun because it's pretty much WW3/Cold War porn and that's awesome.
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Mitth'raw'nuruodo Mar 14 @ 7:24pm 
Haha I did not mean to condemn it. It looks pretty good for a new age RTS. I am just annoyed at it calling itself an wargame. Take a look at Command Ops. Youll understand why I am dissapointed.

Multiplayer is not my thing. So I think I will give this one a miss. But will keep an eye on the Red Dragon.
corpsman-up Mar 14 @ 8:00pm 
Good points, I'm a hardcore wargame player (been table top gaming for....don't ask me that question hahaha) so I understand. I mean, it IS a wargame. It's a game, about war, so wargame. Never said simulation though hahahaha.

Best of luck to ya (oh, and Command Ops is a good one. I like your taste)
hcaptaindale Mar 15 @ 9:12am 
I think the developers are putting more into single player than anyone else these days. At least they put effort into improving it with each game released. Others games developers just churn out MP only games. i like stuff with storylines and in RTS an actual war where you can see progress on a map rather than button mashing duels.

Sry pple I'm no fan of MP. Wargame is one of the very few new games worth buying these days. Otherwise I'm turning more and more to old games from GOG. Haveing games with good SP and MP or a good even spread of games for either SP or MP would have been better but with almost all games almost exclusivly MP video games will likly be a dying hoby for me. Pity.

Still thanks for the feedback ppl. ;)
Nats Mar 17 @ 5:33am 
With regard to SP with Wargame, no it is not great with Airland Battle I only really found the tutorial missions actually fun. If Dragon has more missons like the AB tutorials that would be a distinct improvement. But I dont really know what Dragon has and doesnt have, and I guess I wont until the forum starts up here, cant be bothered to go to the official website. But considering I have really got my value out of AB (considering its price) I cant see me buying the new game just yet.

Wargame's main problem is you dont have time to actually go to ground level and watch all the grreat stuff happening - its just far too frenetic all the time. Play a couple of MP games and you feel exhausted after it. I prefer slower gameplay where I can plan and have some time to recover from mistakes. So yeah in terms of MP its just really another game where you create loads of units and throw them at the enemy as quickly as possibly, and those types of games are a dime a dozen these days.

The videos look great but you just never see any of that stuff. Stupid. Would prefer it if it was more like a TW game but with modern units, but the speed of modern units doesnt not suit fighting on a rather restricted battlefield like you get in this game. I can imagine its made even worse when you get a whole fleet of ships on the map! Personally I think that is getting a little ridiculous. I mean where on earth can the ships go? Do they just stand they until they are destroyed by all the multiplayer helicopter and plane spamming that goes on?

I dont know if Dragon has attempted to deal with the plane/helicopter spamming but that is the worst thing about MP in this game. One of the reason I hate MP games is the way many people play completely unrealistically just because they want to win. Where is the fun in that?
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Koranis Mar 25 @ 11:51pm 
I'm worried about the campaign. I had bought Airland Battle just for the single player campaign but I've been really disappointed by it ( and I had pre-oredered it). Aside from the cheating AI the campaign had a very "controversial" design, something that the majority of the players didn't appreciate. Something that would have been easy to rectify if there was a campaign beta.

I can see there is no SP beta this time, again, and no word about the campaign, except their CEO saying that it's "important" to them. I guess I will wait for user reviews before I do anything stupid, like buy another title I barely touched :)
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Traffic Conez Mar 26 @ 12:36am 
Originally posted by Koranis:
I'm worried about the campaign. I had bought Airland Battle just for the single player campaign but I've been really disappointed by it ( and I had pre-oredered it). Aside from the cheating AI the campaign had a very "controversial" design, something that the majority of the players didn't appreciate. Something that would have been easy to rectify if there was a campaign beta.

I can see there is no SP beta this time, again, and no word about the campaign, except their CEO saying that it's "important" to them. I guess I will wait for user reviews before I do anything stupid, like buy another title I barely touched :)

Thats like buying BF2 for its singleplayer....its there but the full experience is for the multiplayer. SP is just a filler because apprently these days you need SP even if its designed for MP. (BF3, Red Orchestra 2, Payday 2). Whatever rocks your boat though
Mitth'raw'nuruodo Mar 26 @ 1:25am 
Originally posted by Nats:
Wargame's main problem is you dont have time to actually go to ground level and watch all the grreat stuff happening - its just far too frenetic all the time........ One of the reason I hate MP games is the way many people play completely unrealistically just because they want to win. Where is the fun in that?

Precisely why I prefer singleplayer games over multiplayer.

You should check out Graviteam Tactics. Its the closest thing you can find in steam that would suit your style.
Drahazar Mar 26 @ 6:21am 
Order of war and World in Conflict are also great games as well and have good SP
Grey Buddhist Mar 26 @ 7:38am 
Wow. All the hate toward single player games (including skirmishes) must be because people play vs the computer once and lose.
Does the computer tend to react to things quicker than a human opponent sometimes? Yes.
Does the computer tend to put out alot of extra units that make it seem like it never runs out of them? Yes.
Can you have an enjoyable game playing against the computer? Yes.
I personally (just my opinion) rarely play against humans because quite frankly unless your playing with your friends you end up playing against rage quitters, people who curse out teammates for newbie play (instead of actually trying to explain how to play better), people who spam one type of unit instead of realistic play, and for the most part human opponents in this game are very unpleasant to be around. Before I get flamed for those comments, I personally never rage quit, never treat others in a rude manner, and I try to help others I play with (or even against) to help them get better at the game.
I play the computer (Hard level is the highest I play against) and quite frankly my friends and I get together every other day or so to stomp on the computer because 1) It is fun whether we win or lose, 2) Computer opponents don't just spam certain enemy types, and 3) Having extra surprise units suddenly appear when victory seems certain adds an element of fun to the game.
Pyrophosphate Mar 26 @ 7:43am 
No, people complain about the AI because it just doesn't have to play the recon game. At all. If you want to have a semi-realistic battle, the AI will not allow that.
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