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Zeccotine Mar 6, 2013 @ 12:14am
The Cave: Soundtrack
Does anyone have bought it yet? Is it in lossless (FLAC or other)? Or lossy mp3? It's very very annoying that Steam doesn't give the information...
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Zelgadis Graywords Mar 17, 2013 @ 3:37pm 
Hi,
I bought it. It's a MP3 version, 320Kbit/s
Schrödinger Jul 21, 2013 @ 10:49am 
Thank you I was debating to buy or not. If it was FLAC I would have bought it, mp3 - no thank you.
mbirth Jul 21, 2013 @ 2:23pm 
As if you'd hear the difference…
Schrödinger Jul 21, 2013 @ 3:39pm 
MPEG1 Layer III psycho acoustics model, is technology that was originally derived (in the late 70's early 80's) by connecting electrodes to nerve cells in dissected living frogs ears - it is a moral decision not to support mp3. The company that holds the patent on mp3 encoding as of 2005 had made 100 million in royalty payments from anyone who used their technology.

And why accept lossy compression when loss-less exists.

I'm voting with my wallet and explaining to the company (hopefully) why they lost a possible sale, that could have been easily avoided.
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Aerundel Jul 21, 2013 @ 8:51pm 
You probably shouldn't be using the Internet then, since it was derived from military technology. We all know what they've done in the past.

But hey, keep sticking it to the man because some frogs died 30-40 years ago. Not having your choice of formats is a stronger argument to shop elsewhere than that little guilt trip opener. However, not everybody would enjoy having to download hundreds more megabytes to enjoy their soundtrack with little to no added quality over 320kbps MP3.

Btw, Google has failed me, so perhaps you can link something to support your cause?
The Atomic Ass Jul 21, 2013 @ 10:26pm 
Moral issues aside, I CAN hear the difference. mp3 has a subtle ringing/tinkling in the high end that doesn't go away even at 320, and my hearing can pick up on. This is only true of mp3, while Vorbis and AAC I cannot tell the difference past 160-192 or so.
mbirth Jul 22, 2013 @ 3:52am 
Well, it depends on the kind of music, whether you MIGHT hear a difference between 320kbps and lossless. It also depends on your hardware, ears and, of course, how the original sound was created.

Just look at the statistics in the first post (last Spoiler) there: http://www.head-fi.org/t/646411/lossless-vs-128kbps-mp3-vs-320kbps-mp3-blind-test . For 99% it doesn't make any difference if the sound is lossless.
Inductive Heating Coil Jul 22, 2013 @ 4:49am 
Originally posted by Aerundel:
Btw, Google has failed me, so perhaps you can link something to support your cause?

Maybe use wide search parameters, the 2nd hit in a google for "psychoacoustic model animal data":is http://www.mp3-tech.org/programmer/docs/baumgarte_1.pdf
Table 11 is "animal" data. My guess would be that all psychoacoustic models are originally derived from some form of animal testing, not all of which will appear on the Internet, at least not nowadays.

The people doing the testing are not likely to publish it on the Internet.
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Inductive Heating Coil Jul 22, 2013 @ 8:11am 
Originally posted by mbirth:
Well, it depends on the kind of music, whether you MIGHT hear a difference between 320kbps and lossless. It also depends on your hardware, ears and, of course, how the original sound was created.

... snip ...
Age is the biggest factor, from about age 8 your frequency range decreases from its maximum of about 22 KHz down to as low a maximum of 8-12KHz. Age was not mentioned in the sample of 30 people in the statistical abomination you gave.

As we get older, we lose the ability to hear sounds with higher frequencies (12Khz<->22KHz). High school students are taking advantage of this unfortunate side effect of aging. The ringtone emits a higher frequency not heard by adults, thereby giving students the unfair advantage of hearing when they receive a cellphone call or instant message. (It seems that the technology is based in part on a product called the “Mosquito,” which was created to persuade teenagers not to loiter in front of shops. Now, it seems teenagers have turned this technology against its adult creators.)


Lossy compression based on psychoacoustic models (mp3) is great for natural sounds and human voice (100Hz->12KHz), but it is pretty much dire for techno and dance music - anything with non-natural sounds and heavy distortions.
The Atomic Ass Jul 22, 2013 @ 10:56am 
Originally posted by Inductive heating coil:
Lossy compression based on psychoacoustic models (mp3) is great for natural sounds and human voice (100Hz->12KHz), but it is pretty much dire for techno and dance music - anything with non-natural sounds and heavy distortions.
The latter of which, I should probably have mentioned, is the bulk of what I listen to, along with various sub-genres of metal.

And approaching 30, my hearing is still in the 19-20k range.
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Pedrof Sep 26, 2013 @ 6:51am 
Where is the soundtrack downloaded on the computer ?
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