Frank Dec 11, 2012 @ 6:16pm
AMD forum now open
AMD has opened a new forum (http://devgurus.amd.com/community/steam-linux) for those of you using Linux AMD graphics drivers. The purpose of the AMD forum is to provide a direct line to AMD for feedback on their graphics drivers.
Currently before you can post you will need to create a new AMD forum account and request access to the forum. Currently, the forum is private but that will change to public very soon.
In case you are wondering, we will continue monitoring this forum for AMD-related issues with Steam for Linux.
Thanks!
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Gwathdring Dec 11, 2012 @ 9:08pm 
Awesome! Thanks for the heads up. :)
Gwathdring Dec 12, 2012 @ 10:31am 
Posted the ongoing 4xxx TF2 crash there.
Frank Dec 12, 2012 @ 4:10pm 
Thanks RussianNueroMancer, they just switched it to public last night.
Muffinabus Dec 12, 2012 @ 5:57pm 
YES! I got accepted into the private one just minutes before it went public.
|LP| Tipo Dec 13, 2012 @ 6:16am 
Thanks Frank, I've already checked it and the main problem that's bugging me is already posted, and I don't want to be one of those guys that just says "I got it too".

Luckly this will be a heads-up for AMD to improve their Linux support and realize that we are a lot more relevant then they think.

Cheers.
Frank Dec 13, 2012 @ 5:04pm 
Originally posted by Linux TipoDaMascara:
Thanks Frank, I've already checked it and the main problem that's bugging me is already posted, and I don't want to be one of those guys that just says "I got it too".

Luckly this will be a heads-up for AMD to improve their Linux support and realize that we are a lot more relevant then they think.

Cheers.
If I understand you correctly I think that your simple comment would indicate how much an issue is affecting their customers. A high response count on a thread (even if just all "+1"s) is more impressive than a post with no comments from other users.
yabba Dec 14, 2012 @ 1:26am 
Originally posted by Frank:
Originally posted by Linux TipoDaMascara:
Thanks Frank, I've already checked it and the main problem that's bugging me is already posted, and I don't want to be one of those guys that just says "I got it too".

Luckly this will be a heads-up for AMD to improve their Linux support and realize that we are a lot more relevant then they think.

Cheers.
If I understand you correctly I think that your simple comment would indicate how much an issue is affecting their customers. A high response count on a thread (even if just all "+1"s) is more impressive than a post with no comments from other users.

Perhaps Steam linux users not rushing in droves to AMd is symbolic of their future :o)

If that's doesn't create an impression...wish them luck ;)
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|LP| Tipo Dec 14, 2012 @ 2:13am 
Originally posted by Frank:
Originally posted by Linux TipoDaMascara:
Thanks Frank, I've already checked it and the main problem that's bugging me is already posted, and I don't want to be one of those guys that just says "I got it too".

Luckly this will be a heads-up for AMD to improve their Linux support and realize that we are a lot more relevant then they think.

Cheers.
If I understand you correctly I think that your simple comment would indicate how much an issue is affecting their customers. A high response count on a thread (even if just all "+1"s) is more impressive than a post with no comments from other users.

well, that's another point of view.

After checking today I've seen that only a handfull of posts have been made, I would expect it to be a lot higher.

I folowed your suggestion and posted my opinion there, let's just hope that AMD upgrades the drivers a bit further.
yabba Dec 14, 2012 @ 3:46am 
Originally posted by Linux TipoDaMascara:
After checking today I've seen that only a handfull of posts have been made, I would expect it to be a lot higher.

Well it's obvious that the driver doesn't support the hd4xxx cards.

It's obvious too, at least to me, that the performance of TF2 and Killing floor is pants on AMD cards like the HD6xxx

What is not obvious is why. But I can't really see how posting there will help discover that.

It could be that the port of killing floor is just "get it to work", in which case, we're SoL. I don't know. Maybe Ryan would say "No, my port is sound, it's the driver" maybe the driver author would say "No, it's the port".

Rinse and repeat for TF2. Is the 100% cpu usage of the non-game steam process the reason the performance sucks? If so, what can AMD do about that? Or is it their driver?

Or should we even care yet? There's a certain "it's a beta" aspect to things too.

Surely the only people who can get together and have the bun fight to answer these questions are Valve, Ryan and AMD? What are we supposed to do? Fetch the coffee? Pick a side? :)

But if AMD need me to tell them what's wrong now, don't give me the forum, give me the job - because, it's obvious what's wrong from where I'm sat. The only real puzzle is why and whose bit of code is broken. Send me the source to both and I might figure it out.

But, the only other thing I can do is run the code you all release and say "it sucks" - I'm not even great at putting it nicely.

What does cloud the issue is, for example Michael Larabel writing things like this " (Note: For those who play Team Fortress 2, Valve recently released an update to the game that dramatically improves the performance when using AMD Radeon hardware with the Catalyst driver.) " which, ok, Michael's not a gamer, perhaps he reporting that on faith. But who told him they'd improved the performance?

Have Valve got the game running fast on AMD? Are they puzzled why some of us haven't?

Because everything I've seen from valve about source engine game performance on linux (whether directly from them, on the blog, or via news reports like the above) suggests that either someone at valve lives in a fantasy world, or they have a very different set up or drivers or some aspect of their system that's different from what we appear to have)

All of which leads me to the conclusion that Valve have as much information to give us as AMD do. I haven't seen a single "It's amd's fault their drivers suck" (even couched in more diplomatic terms - which I can't do. Which is another reason I'm reluctant to post on their forum because I won't help the situation by posting) response to any of the myriad "TF2 performance" threads in here.

Bottom line, it's £100-200 to get rid of a performance problem iff it's caused by AMD. Less if you sell the old card on Ebay - and it works in windows in the meantime so there's not a lot of reasons to lose sleep over it from our side.
Gwathdring Dec 14, 2012 @ 9:04am 
Originally posted by Yabba:
Originally posted by Linux TipoDaMascara:
After checking today I've seen that only a handfull of posts have been made, I would expect it to be a lot higher.

But if AMD need me to tell them what's wrong now, don't give me the forum, give me the job - because, it's obvious what's wrong from where I'm sat. The only real puzzle is why and whose bit of code is broken. Send me the source to both and I might figure it out.

But, the only other thing I can do is run the code you all release and say "it sucks" - I'm not even great at putting it nicely.

They aren't asking you to tell them how to fix it. They want to know what problems are affecting users and what the approximate proportions are so they can do a sort of triage and handle the big issues first. Mentioning that you experience problem X is useful to the whole process. Not mentioning it and waiting to see whether or not things get fixed is also just fine.
Lord Avallon Dec 14, 2012 @ 4:12pm 
Well, I just liked the threads related to the issue and posted my replies, if all of us that are having this problem do the same, they will see this is really important and need to be fixed.
Frank Dec 14, 2012 @ 4:36pm 
Yabba, the whole point of the AMD forum is to indicate (to AMD corp) that there is a customer base asking for better performance from their AMD cards and that there is money in it for AMD if they address the concerns of their customers (y'all). If there is no traffic in the forum, AMD higher-ups can point to that and say "See, it's not worth it."
It's all about the data. this is your chance to provide that data and voice your concerns in their forum.
Evil Penguin Dec 14, 2012 @ 4:41pm 
Originally posted by Frank:
Yabba, the whole point of the AMD forum is to indicate (to AMD corp) that there is a customer base asking for better performance from their AMD cards and that there is money in it for AMD if they address the concerns of their customers (y'all). If there is no traffic in the forum, AMD higher-ups can point to that and say "See, it's not worth it."
It's all about the data. this is your chance to provide that data and voice your concerns in their forum.
Is anyone from AMD (perhaps their driver developers) looking at these forums or do you guys have to report bugs/performance issues to them directly?

Thanks.
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linuxxr Dec 14, 2012 @ 8:13pm 
amd is our friend
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