gutigen o) Nov 27, 2013 @ 12:25pm
[Updated/Solved - Open Source Driver is awesome! :)] AMD is useless for gaming
Dota 2: 10-20 fps + severe input lag (settings do not matter)
TF2: 20-30 fps + severe input lag (settings do not matter)
Unigine Heaven: up to 40 fps in Basic mode
Xonotic: 70 - 120 fps on low settings

System:
Ubuntu Gnome 13.10
Phenom II x4 B55 @3.1Ghz
AMD 7770 1Gb + drivers from repo and AMD website (tested both)
1440x900@75Hz monitor

This is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

P.S. Vsync is off.

BIG ♥♥♥ EDIT:

It seems that after all latest RadeonSI (open source driver) and kernel 3.13 are the ♥♥♥♥!
After all my initial problem with those two was DPM, which I thought I set up correctly, but hey, I'm just a human :)

What u need for 60fps (when Windows gives me 80 in same scenario) in Dota 2 at max settings with card like 7770:

1. Kernel 3.13 and up, found in Ubuntu 14.04 for example (for other distros check google)
2. Latest version of RadeonSI driver, found here:
https://launchpad.net/~xorg-edgers/+archive/ppa
3. Chenge DPM to performance, there is nice GUI tool for that:
https://github.com/marazmista/radeon-profile

Have fun :)
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vargablood Nov 27, 2013 @ 1:05pm 
i use a gtx680 and a hd7970. they are performing near ident, very well and do all maxed out. youre doing something wrong ^^ i dont see great differences between nvidia and amd....
Last edited by vargablood; Nov 27, 2013 @ 1:06pm
gutigen o) Nov 27, 2013 @ 1:07pm 
Originally posted by vargablood:
i use a gtx680 and a hd7970. they are performing near ident, very well and do all maxed out. youre doing something wrong ^^ i dont see great differences between nvidia and amd....

What system are you using?
vargablood Nov 27, 2013 @ 1:09pm 
Kubuntu 13.10. Kernel 3.11, 3.12 latest beta drivers of nvidia and amd catalyst beta.
CPU is a fx-8350
vargablood Nov 27, 2013 @ 1:17pm 
you can use this guide to install the last original amd catalyst beta:
http://askubuntu.com/questions/124292/what-is-the-correct-way-to-install-ati-catalyst-video-drivers-fglrx/286775#286775

i beliebe it doesnt make a difference but i changed the line "sudo sh *.run --buildpkg Ubuntu/raring" against "sudo sh *.run --buildpkg Ubuntu/saucy" to do it as good as possible for the 13.10 distribution

for my system its enough to do the generic configuration and ignore all after like minmal config or removing watermarks ....
Last edited by vargablood; Nov 27, 2013 @ 1:18pm
vargablood Nov 27, 2013 @ 1:24pm 
and dont forget... load the actually beta from amd homepage. dont use the link of the 13.4 catalyst in the guide :)

also really final the installation doing "sudo aticonfig --initial -f" as described in the guide.
without it its worthless ;)
Last edited by vargablood; Nov 27, 2013 @ 1:34pm
gutigen o) Nov 27, 2013 @ 2:01pm 
Last edited by gutigen o); Nov 27, 2013 @ 2:01pm
###O?qÿáÓ Nov 27, 2013 @ 2:02pm 
Originally posted by gutigen o):
[…]
AMD 7770 1Gb + drivers from repo and AMD website
[…]

Wait, do you have both installed at the same time?
gutigen o) Nov 27, 2013 @ 2:11pm 
Originally posted by ###O?qÿáÓ:
Originally posted by gutigen o):
[…]
AMD 7770 1Gb + drivers from repo and AMD website
[…]

Wait, do you have both installed at the same time?

What I meant was that I tested both, with cleanup before installing another.
LOLCAT Nov 28, 2013 @ 5:48pm 
I love these rage threads when someone fails to do research before buying hardware. Yes, GCN is currently useless on linux. But AMD != GCN and gaming != linux. So your thread title is a simple lie.
gutigen o) Nov 28, 2013 @ 7:26pm 
Originally posted by LOLCAT:
I love these rage threads when someone fails to do research before buying hardware. Yes, GCN is currently useless on linux. But AMD != GCN and gaming != linux. So your thread title is a simple lie.

Lie how? It is useless for gaming under Linux for me, simple as that.

AMD = GCN for all cards from 2012 and up. As for gaming != linux I agree, that's why I wouldn't take this small leap of faith (since there are no proper reports about 7000 series under Linux - some people find it fine, some not) if I didn't have Windows 8.1 for gaming where this card works great :)

EDIT: It doesn't change the fact that this is serious ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, I pay for a product which is suppose to be supported under Linux (there are drivers at amd.com next to Windows or OSX) and my specific OS (there is option to build driver for 13.10).

Oh and this here is a rant, my main post is just a stating of facts.
Last edited by gutigen o); Nov 28, 2013 @ 7:32pm
###O?qÿáÓ Nov 29, 2013 @ 4:22am 
Originally posted by gutigen o):
[…](since there are no proper reports about 7000 series under Linux - some people find it fine, some not) if I didn't have Windows 8.1 for gaming where this card works great :)

[…]

I have a 7970 3GB
I get more than 500fps in TF2 with maxguality settings.

I am using the amd-catalyst-13.11-beta6-linux-x86.x86_64 drivers on Debian Wheezy 64bit

Check if you have installed the appropriate drivers correctly.
Last edited by ###O?qÿáÓ; Nov 29, 2013 @ 6:46am
gutigen o) Nov 29, 2013 @ 8:55am 
Originally posted by ###O?qÿáÓ:

I have a 7970 3GB
I get more than 500fps in TF2 with maxguality settings.

I am using the amd-catalyst-13.11-beta6-linux-x86.x86_64 drivers on Debian Wheezy 64bit

Check if you have installed the appropriate drivers correctly.

This is so odd. I got latest beta drivers from amd.com (built for 13.10). I also tried fglrx from Ubuntu repos (version from May), no change.

Could you tell me what kernel you have, what version of X and how the process of installation looked in your case? I would really appreciate it :)
###O?qÿáÓ Nov 29, 2013 @ 9:32am 
Sure!

My Specs:
CPU:AMD Piledriver FX-8350, 8x 4.0GHz
Mainboard:ASUS M5A99X Evo, AMD 990X
GPU:AMD Radeon HD 7970 3GB
RAM:16GB Corsair Vengeance DDR3-1600 (2x 8GB)

uname -srv
Linux 3.2.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.2.51-1 x86_64 GNU/Linux

Xorg -version

X.Org X Server 1.12.4
Release Date: 2012-08-27
X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0
Build Operating System: Linux 3.10-3-amd64 x86_64 Debian
Current Operating System: Linux 3.2.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.2.51-1 x86_64
Kernel command line: BOOT_IMAGE=/vmlinuz-3.2.0-4-amd64 root=~snip~
Build Date: 21 October 2013 04:49:48PM
xorg-server 2:1.12.4-6+deb7u1 (Moritz Muehlenhoff <jmm@debian.org>)
Current version of pixman: 0.26.0

When I install a new AMD driver the first thing I do is to remove all previously installed drivers.
I am using the
/usr/share/ati/amd-uninstall.sh
script for that.
After that I check in the now created log if everything was removed. If not, I manually remove everything that is left over.
Then I reboot my computer.

To install the new driver I go to the directory I downloaded the driver (from the amd homepage) to and make it executeable:
chmod +x NameOfTheDriver.run
then
sudo ./NameOfTheDriver.run
and select automatic installation.
I check the log again if anything unforseen happened, if not I reboot again.
You also might need to edit your xorg.conf if necessary.
-----------------------------------

I also tested Unigine Heaven and Xonotic with following results:

Unigine Heaven: up to 215fps on basic.

Xonotic: 300fps with everything maxed out.
Last edited by ###O?qÿáÓ; Nov 29, 2013 @ 9:36am
gutigen o) Nov 29, 2013 @ 11:03am 
Well, I was building package for specific distro, so this time I tried just automatic installation (after cleanup), no change :/
vargablood Nov 29, 2013 @ 11:08am 
what information does fglrxinfo tell ? can you post the output ?
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