DIRT Mar 20, 2014 @ 11:12pm
OSS amd drivers
I'm considering buying an amd 270x to check out AMD's drivers.

My last amd card was a 4150 in a laptop and before that I had an x1950 that had working drivers for maybe a month then it was put into legacy. Proprietary drivers barely worked and the OSS drivers they atleast don't crash but they have rendering issues in games.

No flame war bs, just want to hear how current AMD drivers are doing now.
On phoronix the OSS drivers looked like they perform pretty decent. I like the having less crashes part of the OSS driver.
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=amd_radeon_trusty&num=1
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gutigen o) Mar 21, 2014 @ 4:15am 
Catalyst is a mess for EVERYONE (at best 50% of Windows performance) and don't listen to idiots who think that 60fps with 79xx series in Dota 2 is fine :)

OSS works nice, but you it's still missing features (you won't get OpenGL 4.0 till next year propably) and performance is all over the place for different cards (I actually have around 60-70% of Windows 8.1 performance with 7770).

If you are buying new card and you are a gamer, buy Nvidia or wait till next year and hope for Catalyst to catch up, period.
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Letalis Sonus Mar 21, 2014 @ 5:43am 
The 270X still has the old GCN architecture, its GPU is basically just a slightly modified HD 7870 one, so it should run similar to that one on both drivers.
You'll still need cutting edge development versions of the free driver to get it running somewhat decently as GCN support is still heavily under construction, though, and the kernel has to be recent enough to know the hardware ID of the 270X.
DIRT Mar 23, 2014 @ 8:58am 
Ok. That is about what I figured. Im just spending less than $200 for a card. I'd spend more but looks like stuff hasn’t changed too much. Yeah it is slow but even with oss drivers the 270x looks like its almost 2x as fast as my 470. I would just keep using it but it is dieing.
Neat trick if you dont know. Take off everything that can melt and clean off the thermal grease then put it in the oven in a closed aluminum container at 390f for about 15 minutes. It fixes your card temporarily. Who knew lol.
LOLCAT Mar 23, 2014 @ 11:59am 
Originally posted by DIRT:
Take off everything that can melt and clean off the thermal grease then put it in the oven in a closed aluminum container at 390f for about 15 minutes. It fixes your card temporarily. Who knew lol.
Don't do that, it's just a hoax. Video cards have 2 sides, one will always be down. As tin melts all small parts will fall down and your card is dead. If you don't melt the tin, nothing will be fixed.
Letalis Sonus Mar 24, 2014 @ 5:50am 
Nonsense, industrial grade lead-free solder has a melting temperature of over 400°C, try reaching that with a common oven, even my soldering iron is barely hot enough to get smaller solder joints fluid. The oven is just supposed to soften up the solder, it is not desoldering anything,

However, electrolyte capacitors don't like being toasted at all...
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LOLCAT Mar 24, 2014 @ 7:14am 
Originally posted by Letalis Sonus:
Nonsense, industrial grade lead-free solder has a melting temperature of over 400°C, try reaching that with a common oven, even my soldering iron is barely hot enough to get smaller solder joints fluid. The oven is just supposed to soften up the solder, it is not desoldering anything,

However, electrolyte capacitors don't like being toasted at all...
I actually tried it with 3 different cards. If I didn't keep them inside long (2-5 min), nothing changed. If I did (8-10 min), everything fell down.
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DIRT Mar 24, 2014 @ 7:51am 
What happens is you get microscopic cracks that you cant see. I wouldn't be to surprised if this is what gpu manufacturers do once they get a bad card. Every one of my nvidia cards have died despite making sure they get good air flow and having vsync on. 
This is like the 5th time I baked this card. Probably about time I start looking for a replacement.
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DIRT Mar 24, 2014 @ 8:50am 
This is rather interesting,
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=amd_catalyst_kernel&num=1

I was looking at intel (for their single thread speed) and nvidia (for drivers) but if they keep this up I might just buy all amd hardware. We can finally have flicker free startups!

All kidding aside, it would be really beneficial if we had drivers that could be worked with. Linux wont have to be forced to support old features like with a certain green colored company.
Pocket Mar 25, 2014 @ 10:26pm 
How much you bet they still won't support the 4XXX series cards. I went on their website today intending to throw in the towel and get the latest driver for my Windows system (I've been using whatever the heck automatically installed with Windows, and it's fine for gaming but keeps causing BSODs when I go into standby mode), only to discover that they've taken down their legacy drivers entirely.
Letalis Sonus Mar 26, 2014 @ 9:35am 
Originally posted by Pocket:
only to discover that they've taken down their legacy drivers entirely.
What manufacturer are you talking about?

Every single Legacy driver from AMD is still available, you can even download the ancient fglrx for the first gen Radeon cards that was deprecated in 2006, as well as all the old Win98/ME versions that are even older.
Pocket Mar 26, 2014 @ 10:42am 
Heading to the GPU drivers section of the AMD website only lists Catalyst 13.12 and the latest beta driver. There's a link to "Previous Drivers and Software", but none of the versions listed have working links. Funny thing is, I checked just now and the Linux section does have valid links, but they don't include the legacy versions that support the 4XXX series.
Letalis Sonus Mar 27, 2014 @ 8:27am 
Just use their driver search, you'll find everything with it, and all have valid download links.
Pocket Mar 27, 2014 @ 11:57am 
Ha, well wouldn't you know it. The legacy driver is there; it's just really well hidden. And as I suspected, they have been updating the Windows version (currently on 13.9) but not the Linux one (13.1). And also as I suspected, the Windows one is a pile of turds that rendered my computer unusable until I removed it. Now I really wish I knew where the driver I'd been using all this time came from.
DIRT Mar 28, 2014 @ 9:42am 
I wonder if AMD's new approach will solve the problem with legacy drivers only being able to be used with old xorg servers.
Letalis Sonus Mar 28, 2014 @ 9:54am 
Nope, the whole code has been dropped entirely and will not be picked up again, same counts for the Windows driver that shares the OpenGL code.

The current state of development of the free driver for those cards is already that damn close to being on par with fglrx with both performace and features that you'll not going to be missing it when fglrx reaches that point, anyway.
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