yabba Feb 22, 2013 @ 11:03am
TF2 update 22nd Feb promises linux perf boost
"Improved performance for the Linux version" in the latest update for TF2.

Sounds promising.

Downloading now, I'll update in a moment with my results - anyone tried it yet?

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[Linux] Schrödinger's cat Feb 22, 2013 @ 12:05pm 
It still takes a lot of time to load
Ha, I can't connect to any servers - servers are using old version of game
When will they finally upgrade TF2 to Steam Pipe
Last edited by [Linux] Schrödinger's cat; Feb 22, 2013 @ 12:07pm
yabba Feb 22, 2013 @ 12:29pm 
Originally posted by Linux Schrödinger's cat:
When will they finally upgrade TF2 to Steam Pipe

TF2 beta is using that now. So presumably not long.

Can't say I noticed a lot of performance improvement. The water lag / stutter is still there.
Last edited by yabba; Feb 22, 2013 @ 12:29pm
|NAC²| D.Cent Feb 22, 2013 @ 2:24pm 
Actually I can't say that anything has improved.
Okay, I never had any FPS issues because my GPU is quite good (NVidia 460 GTX), but as soon as I start a game, I notice these two things:

-loading times are still thrice as long as in wine
-the game still hangs when opening the backpack for the first time
Last edited by |NAC²| D.Cent; Feb 22, 2013 @ 2:26pm
rudeboyskunk Feb 22, 2013 @ 4:23pm 
I get a performance boost.
Marentis Feb 23, 2013 @ 4:18am 
I can say that it stopped any micro stuttering I experienced with my Radeon HD 6870. It runs now as good as it does on Windows.
gutigen o) Feb 23, 2013 @ 6:29am 
I see no difference, but it may be because it was working perfectly anyway after I switched to Ubuntu 13.04 alpha (which has 3.8 kernel).
Doc Holliday Feb 23, 2013 @ 8:48am 
Originally posted by NAC² D.Cent Linux:
Actually I can't say that anything has improved.
Okay, I never had any FPS issues because my GPU is quite good (NVidia 460 GTX), but as soon as I start a game, I notice these two things:

-loading times are still thrice as long as in wine
-the game still hangs when opening the backpack for the first time
do you have a logitech keyboard or mouse?
Pocket Feb 23, 2013 @ 8:26pm 
Enabling AA still crashes the game, so that's not fixed. (Radeon HD 4850 with 13.1 legacy driver)
yabba Feb 24, 2013 @ 2:00am 
Originally posted by gutigen o) Linux:
I see no difference, but it may be because it was working perfectly anyway after I switched to Ubuntu 13.04 alpha (which has 3.8 kernel).

Didn't you say in another thread you disable hdr and that it was fine? Now you've got to switch kernel and OS version and it's fine? Why did you need to switch if it was already fine? :)

I play on windows with hdr and aa enabled FWIW and always have as well as everything else on high. So I don't accept that as a solution even if it shows partly where the problem lies.

Anyway after playing for loads of hours between Linux and Windows this weekend, I think it's just the performance on linux sucks in general across the board relatively speaking.

The water thing is just a red herring. There's a frame drop on windows too in the same places, it's just that windows has a high enough frame rate that it doesn't drop below 60 (in fact it generally doesn't drop below 80) and hence it doesn't affect the gameplay and still feels smooth.

Lowering settings helps but, it's certainly still not working well yet.
Last edited by yabba; Feb 24, 2013 @ 2:02am
gutigen o) Feb 24, 2013 @ 2:28am 
Originally posted by Yabba:
Originally posted by gutigen o) Linux:
I see no difference, but it may be because it was working perfectly anyway after I switched to Ubuntu 13.04 alpha (which has 3.8 kernel).

Didn't you say in another thread you disable hdr and that it was fine? Now you've got to switch kernel and OS version and it's fine? Why did you need to switch if it was already fine? :)

Hmm I should be more specific in my posts I guess :)

There were some things which I did not noticed at first, like micro stutter at heavy populated servers which were fixed by either a TF2 update or my update to 13.04 (not sure tbh, in beta very often we had no patch notes and my connection is too fast for me to notice 2 or 20mb patch which downloads just after I start Steam).

As for HDR I had to turn it off in Windows aswell, tho it has bigger impact here on Linux (got old GTS250). I don't have Windows anymore to actually make some comparisons at my machine.

So by fine I meant better then it was, but there is always room for improvement.
Last edited by gutigen o); Feb 24, 2013 @ 2:29am
|NAC²| D.Cent Feb 24, 2013 @ 7:16am 
Originally posted by Nemesis:
do you have a logitech keyboard or mouse?

Yes, I do (both are Logitech) - do you think it has got something to do with that?
arc| Gps Feb 24, 2013 @ 6:08pm 
Originally posted by Marentis:
I can say that it stopped any micro stuttering I experienced with my Radeon HD 6870. It runs now as good as it does on Windows.

same here hd 5750
yabba Feb 25, 2013 @ 3:23am 
Originally posted by gutigen o) Linux:
Originally posted by Yabba:

Didn't you say in another thread you disable hdr and that it was fine? Now you've got to switch kernel and OS version and it's fine? Why did you need to switch if it was already fine? :)

Hmm I should be more specific in my posts I guess :)

There were some things which I did not noticed at first, like micro stutter at heavy populated servers which were fixed by either a TF2 update or my update to 13.04 (not sure tbh, in beta very often we had no patch notes and my connection is too fast for me to notice 2 or 20mb patch which downloads just after I start Steam).

As for HDR I had to turn it off in Windows aswell, tho it has bigger impact here on Linux (got old GTS250). I don't have Windows anymore to actually make some comparisons at my machine.

So by fine I meant better then it was, but there is always room for improvement.

I think the picture is clear now.

I wasn't trying to catch you out, but I really want it to be fixed, and you said same or better than windows, when you don't even have windows to compare - and then noted that it had stuttering and issues anyway that you discovered when you actually tried playing on it.

That's relevant because on my son's i5 2500k/HD5850 machine it often hits fps_max, 300 fps. A glance at the performance you might think it was running really well perhaps even "as well as windows" - but It's not until you actually start playing you see the FPS drop to 20 and other similar stutters that just cause you to get killed and make the whole expierience frustrating (not disimilar to the expirience I had when I had a 7600gt/xp3200 a few years ago - except then it was clear the machine needed upgrading) and you realise it's not actually playable.

Even with my son's 120fps config that he uses for playing comp matches (that puts fps_max to 120 and turns off or down pretty much everything - probably more than it needs to - to get a more or less constant and consistent 120 fps no matter what happens) the linux client still hits these points where there's a stutter and a pause - but with this config the game seems to recover better so it's less of an issue.

But I think likely some are looking at the FPS counter and thinking its "running like windows", when it's far from it.
Last edited by yabba; Feb 25, 2013 @ 3:25am
gutigen o) Feb 25, 2013 @ 4:20am 
Originally posted by Yabba:
I wasn't trying to catch you out, but I really want it to be fixed, and you said same or better than windows, when you don't even have windows to compare - and then noted that it had stuttering and issues anyway that you discovered when you actually tried playing on it.

Well, there were so many changes in last few months that it's really hard to follow. Some changes were in Ubuntu systems, some in Steam, some in TF2 and many affected TF2 performance. I had Windows 7 in 2011 and I remember at which settings my average framerate was and when I had stuttering and when not, so it wasn't hard to compare it to Windows. Tho it wasn't so easy to distinguish between system/nvidia/tf2 updates when I was playing max few times a week during few months of beta. My comments were mostly about overall feeling, not hard data.

Originally posted by Yabba:
That's relevant because on my son's i5 2500k/HD5850 machine it often hits fps_max, 300 fps. A glance at the performance you might think it was running really well perhaps even "as well as windows" - but It's not until you actually start playing you see the FPS drop to 20 and other similar stutters that just cause you to get killed and make the whole expierience frustrating (not disimilar to the expirience I had when I had a 7600gt/xp3200 a few years ago - except then it was clear the machine needed upgrading) and you realise it's not actually playable.

Even with my son's 120fps config that he uses for playing comp matches (that puts fps_max to 120 and turns off or down pretty much everything - probably more than it needs to - to get a more or less constant and consistent 120 fps no matter what happens) the linux client still hits these points where there's a stutter and a pause - but with this config the game seems to recover better so it's less of an issue.

But I think likely some are looking at the FPS counter and thinking its "running like windows", when it's far from it.

I usually got framerate locked at 140 (double of my monitor refresh rate) on my pretty old machine (Phenom II x4/gts250), but I don't use fps configs except few commands for removing gibs and ragdoll physics (everything max, except shadows and hdr). Atm when there is less then 24 players on the server, framerate rarely drops below 140 (and goes up to 300+ if I set fps_max 0) and there is no stutter at all. When there are 32 players at server in heavy spam when 16+ players attack each other, fps can drop down to 50-60 fps and then stutter or pause/lag happens, cause fps below tickrate (66) means packet loss. But most of the time it's closer to 100 - 140 fps. Tbh I don't need anymore performance, only loading times could be better (fix inc, I know).

Ubuntu 13.04
Nvidia 310.32
Last edited by gutigen o); Feb 25, 2013 @ 4:23am
SUSEd Feb 25, 2013 @ 10:34am 
They said that 23th feb update will improve performance.
You know what happens instead.
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