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SUSEd 21 ноември 2012 в 9:00сут.
Issue Report: Team Fortress 2 on Linux loads much more time then on Windows or Wine.
Tested on Windows 8, Ubuntu 12.10, wine 1.5.17 (x86_64) on same PC.

On Windows
Cold Start: ~30 s.
Restarting: <10 s.

On Ubuntu
Cold start: 2 min. 20 s.
Restarting ~2 min

Wine (1.5.17)
Cold start: ~30 s.
Restarting: <30 s.

HW: Intel Core I5 3570k@3400 MHz with builtin graphics and 4 GB 1333 Mhz DDR3 RAM.

More HW info (translated)

Processor:
    Supplier: GenuineIntel
    Clock Frequency: 3401 MHz
    Number of logical processors: 4
    Number of physical processors: 4
    HyperThreading: Unsupported
    FCMOV: Supported
    SSE2: Supported
    SSE3: Supported
    SSSE3: Supported
    SSE4a: Not Supported
    SSE41: Supported
    SSE42: Supported
    
Network:
    Connection Speed:
    
OS version:
    "OpenSUSE 12.2 (x86_64)" (64 bit)
    Name of the kernel: Linux
    Core Version: 3.6.7-1-desktop
    Supplier X Server: The X.Org Foundation
    Version X Server: 11300000
    
Video:
    Model: Intel Open Source Technology Center Mesa DRI Intel (R) Ivybridge Desktop x86/MMX/SSE2

    Driver version: 3.0 Mesa 9.0
    Color Depth: 24 bits / pixel
    Refresh Rate: 75 Hz
    Vendor ID: 0x8086
    ID cards: 0x162
    Number of screens: 1
    The number of logical video: 1
    Permission to decrease. Display: 1280 x 1024
    Desktop resolution: 1280 x 1024
    Size core. screen:
In inches: 13,31 "x 10,63" (diagonal 17.01 ")
In cm: 33,8 cm x 27,0 cm (43.2 cm diagonal)
    Video memory size is not defined
    
Sound Card:
    Audio device: Intel CougarPoint HDMI
    
Memory:
    Memory: 3669 MB
    
Miscellaneous:
    Language: Russian
    LANG: ru_UA.utf8
    Microphone: Not set
    Disk Space: 938900 MB
    Most free disk: 620 657 MB
Последно редактиран от SUSEd; 23 ноември 2012 в 11:47след.
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ElectricKetchup 21 ноември 2012 в 9:05сут. 
I was thinking it took a long time too. Have you also noticed that the loading of the map time is significantly longer too? I haven't run the windows version since I got in the beta, so I haven't compared the numbers, but it feels longer.
Julian Fernandes 21 ноември 2012 в 9:08сут. 
+1

It also lags a lot from times to times with my Intel HD 3000 on Ubuntu 12.10 Unity, even if I put everything on low.

Processor Information:
Vendor: GenuineIntel
Speed: 2301 Mhz
4 logical processors
2 physical processors
HyperThreading: Supported
FCMOV: Supported
SSE2: Supported
SSE3: Supported
SSSE3: Supported
SSE4a: Unsupported
SSE41: Supported
SSE42: Supported

Network Information:
Network Speed:

Operating System Version:
Ubuntu 12.10 (64 bit)
Kernel Name: Linux
Kernel Version: 3.7.0-030700rc6-generic
X Server vendor: The X.Org Foundation
X Server release: 11300000

Video Card:
Driver: Intel Open Source Technology Center Mesa DRI Intel(R) Sandybridge Mobile x86/MMX/SSE2

Driver Version: 3.0 Mesa 9.0
Desktop Color Depth: 24 bits per pixel
Monitor Refresh Rate: 59 Hz
VendorID: 0x8086
DeviceID: 0x116
Number of Monitors: 1
Number of Logical Video Cards: 1
Primary Display Resolution: 1440 x 900
Desktop Resolution: 1440 x 900
Primary Display Size: 14,57" x 9,13" (17,17" diag)
37,0cm x 23,2cm (43,6cm diag)
Primary VRAM Not Detected

Sound card:
Audio device: Intel CougarPoint HDMI

Memory:
RAM: 3868 Mb

Miscellaneous:
UI Language: English
LANG: pt_BR.UTF-8
Microphone: Not set
Total Hard Disk Space Available: 441292 Mb
Largest Free Hard Disk Block: 371383 Mb

I tryed to set my CPU governor to performance to see if I could see a improvement, but it did not helped.
SUSEd 21 ноември 2012 в 10:02сут. 
Първоначално публикувано от Julian Fernandes:
+1

It also lags a lot from times to times with my Intel HD 3000 on Ubuntu 12.10 Unity, even if I put everything on low.

HD 3000 is not so fast as 4000, for me it works normal on middle settings.
SUSEd 21 ноември 2012 в 10:06сут. 
Първоначално публикувано от ElectricKetchup:
I was thinking it took a long time too. Have you also noticed that the loading of the map time is significantly longer too? I haven't run the windows version since I got in the beta, so I haven't compared the numbers, but it feels longer.

Yes, map loads longer but not so notisable as startup.
Julian Fernandes 21 ноември 2012 в 10:10сут. 
Първоначално публикувано от shished:
Първоначално публикувано от Julian Fernandes:
+1

It also lags a lot from times to times with my Intel HD 3000 on Ubuntu 12.10 Unity, even if I put everything on low.

HD 3000 is not so fast as 4000, for me it works normal on middle settings.

I know it isn't, but if the bug is related to Intel drivers or Intel GPUs itself, both cards benefits.
zzecool 21 ноември 2012 в 10:57сут. 
Yeap it is an ubuntu problem with the Cache system ...

Everything in ubuntu after a cold start takes too much time to load even Chrome.
The solution is a nice deamon by a google dev :D called preload .

http://techthrob.com/2009/03/02/drastically-speed-up-your-linux-system-with-preload/

Without preload Chrome launch after cold start : 14 sec
With preload Chrome launch after cold start : 3.5 sec !!!


Try it and you will bless my name ;p
Julian Fernandes 21 ноември 2012 в 11:12сут. 
@zzecool I use Preload since forever, and the problem still happens with TF2.
SUSEd 21 ноември 2012 в 11:13сут. 
Първоначално публикувано от zzecool:
Yeap it is an ubuntu problem with the Cache system ...

Everything in ubuntu after a cold start takes too much time to load even Chrome.
The solution is a nice deamon by a google dev :D called preload .

http://techthrob.com/2009/03/02/drastically-speed-up-your-linux-system-with-preload/

Without preload Chrome launch after cold start : 14 sec
With preload Chrome launch after cold start : 3.5 sec !!!


Try it and you will bless my name ;p

Also tried to launch TF2 on openSUSE and got same results.
Preload will give ~10% speedup.
Problem is deeper then caching.
Unit3 21 ноември 2012 в 11:43сут. 
Just to throw in my $.02, but I don't see this on my system, I see faster load times than under Windows 7. However, I have a fast SSD (Intel 520) and plenty of RAM (16GB). Loading games should be primarily I/O limited, so it makes sense that on a faster I/O system, the problem would disappear.

If you've got a fast SSD and are still seeing this, next thing I'd check is your Linux filesystem. Most distros default to ext3, which is really slow. If you're storing your Steam install on an XFS partition (mounted with noatime, naturally), then I expect you'll see faster load times than Windows, like I do.
godo 21 ноември 2012 в 11:55сут. 
I too have an SSD ( OCZ Vertex 4 128GB firmware 1.5 ) and getting much longer loading times compared to TF2 using wine or windows
johndrinkwater [🐧︀ 🎮] 21 ноември 2012 в 12:54след. 
Could this be related to fragmentation then?
Silent Death 21 ноември 2012 в 12:58след. 
Hi. Ultrabook here with 1920x1080p display, i5, HD4000, 4GB RAM and 128GB SSD, Ubuntu 12.10, ext4 file system and still loading like hell.

Also, THIS !!!
Everything on low/disabled. Also tried enabling/disabling multi-core rendering. Same thing.

Първоначално публикувано от Julian Fernandes:
+1

It also lags a lot from times to times with my Intel HD 3000 on Ubuntu 12.10 Unity, even if I put everything on low.

I tryed to set my CPU governor to performance to see if I could see a improvement, but it did not helped.
zzecool 21 ноември 2012 в 1:47след. 
Fragmentation doesn't exist in linux , because of the nature of the filesystem.

Maybe poor I/O performance based on bad driver is the problem
jay 21 ноември 2012 в 1:59след. 
Първоначално публикувано от Silent Death:
It also lags a lot from times to times with my Intel HD 3000 on Ubuntu 12.10 Unity, even if I put everything on low.

Check if steam itself goes to 100% CPU usage once TF2 is done loading. This is my problem, and it's really frustrating because it makes TF2 completely unplayable.
Julian Fernandes 21 ноември 2012 в 2:48след. 
Първоначално публикувано от jay:
Първоначално публикувано от Silent Death:
It also lags a lot from times to times with my Intel HD 3000 on Ubuntu 12.10 Unity, even if I put everything on low.

Check if steam itself goes to 100% CPU usage once TF2 is done loading. This is my problem, and it's really frustrating because it makes TF2 completely unplayable.

That could be the issue, since it seems TF2 is CPU bound and Steam is having problems with load (Frank said they are working on it). It also makes sense, since the games lags only from time to time.
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