Doc Holliday Sep 24, 2013 @ 8:18am
tech power up says the Steam OS is based on Debian
if this is true it will be EPIC

"the operating system is a highly modified Debian Linux stripped to bare, with all its non-essentials tossed out, and proprietary multimedia CODECs added, along with fonts, runtime environments, and in-built drivers for popular GPU, sound card, and gaming-peripheral brands. In essence, there's everything in the operating system for PC gamers, and then some."

http://www.techpowerup.com/191332/valve-announces-steam-os.html
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^1Gentoo Sep 24, 2013 @ 8:21am 
Ubuntu is based on Debian so in essence it's true.
blackout24 Sep 24, 2013 @ 8:22am 
Would be great but I'm not very convinced as he doesn't provide any evidence. Hope it also aims to have fairly current versions of the kernel which helps with Intel iGPUs.
Tribaal Sep 24, 2013 @ 8:23am 
While it would be nice, the article does not cite any sources at all. I'm more inclined to think they chose a modified Ubuntu (without the branding and all the mir/unity bits of course).

Of course, "based on Ubuntu" *is* a modified Debian :)
Doc Holliday Sep 24, 2013 @ 8:23am 
Originally posted by ^1Gentoo:
Ubuntu is based on Debian so in essence it's true.
they're saying it's fully based on Debian
^1Gentoo Sep 24, 2013 @ 8:25am 
Originally posted by Doc Holliday:
Originally posted by ^1Gentoo:
Ubuntu is based on Debian so in essence it's true.
they're saying it's fully based on Debian

I just doublechecked the article and it never mentions that it's "fully based".
Doc Holliday Sep 24, 2013 @ 8:26am 
Originally posted by ^1Gentoo:
Originally posted by Doc Holliday:
they're saying it's fully based on Debian

I just doublechecked the article and it never mentions that it's "fully based".
they only Said Debian not Ubuntu..
^1Gentoo Sep 24, 2013 @ 8:33am 
And like I said: Ubuntu is based on Debian so in fact both statements would be true.
Doc Holliday Sep 24, 2013 @ 8:36am 
Originally posted by ^1Gentoo:
And like I said: Ubuntu is based on Debian so in fact both statements would be true.

thats like saying Crome OS is gentoo
^1Gentoo Sep 24, 2013 @ 8:41am 
Doc Holliday Sep 24, 2013 @ 8:44am 
Originally posted by ^1Gentoo:
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Ubuntu is a "Hostile" fork of Debian dont even link things from Ubuntu talking about Debian
Cybertao Sep 24, 2013 @ 8:59am 
The games already ported will be expecting certain dependencies. While those dependencies can be provided on a range of different bistros the games have been tested against the versions and binaries Ubuntu provides.
Changing distros now doesn't make sense from a software engineering perspective.

There's nothing wrong with using Ubuntu binaries to build the base system. A number of distributions do.
Doc Holliday Sep 24, 2013 @ 9:07am 
Originally posted by Cybertao:
The games already ported will be expecting certain dependencies. While those dependencies can be provided on a range of different bistros the games have been tested against the versions and binaries Ubuntu provides.
Changing distros now doesn't make sense from a software engineering perspective.

There's nothing wrong with using Ubuntu binaries to build the base system. A number of distributions do.

you dont have super out of tree patches in Debian, so yes it makes a lot of sense and, you also have any package, you want in the Debian repos reg when like lets say AMD catalyst releases it will be in the Debian, repos in just hours vs the Ubuntu repos may take 6mo's
Cybertao Sep 24, 2013 @ 9:21am 
When the software has been compiled and tested against Ubuntu, Debian is the one out of tree.
bitcrusher Sep 24, 2013 @ 12:14pm 
man i hope its not ubuntu, debian and wayland not mir.
Oerthling Sep 25, 2013 @ 6:19pm 
When they released the Steam client for Linux it made a lot of sense to use Ubuntu as supported reference OS. It's the most widespread Linux Desktop and it's even sold pre-installed by some manufacturers (Dell, Asus, System 76 etc...).

But for Valves own SteamOS I believe it's more likely they start with Debian and strip it down to the bare minimum and then add Big Picture as Steam DE on top.
All the stuff that Ubuntu adds to Debian to make it run OOTB on most hardware and to build the phone to desktop vision makes sense for a general purpose desktop OS - but not for Valves more focused gaming platform and media center.
Ubuntu intends to run on everything. SteamOS will be targeted towards Steam Machines. And while Valve will be ok for you and me to install SteamOS on any old laptop we want - their primary focus will be a much smaller selection of gaming and media hardware.

Debian would be a more stable base and they would avoid any troubles that Mir might bring.

As for lib dependencies - not a big issue I believe - Valve can simply provide libs compatible with Ubuntu 12.04 where needed for particular games. And Valve is probably pushing their own version of SDL behind the scenes as a common API platform I assume. They can offer something like SDL as SteamAPI or whatever and market that similar to DirectX as a stable base for devs. It'll be SteamAPI 2014 instead of DirectX 11 (I made up the name and versioning as an example).
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