TheSniperFan Sep 20, 2013 @ 10:31am
Steambox countdown
http://store.steampowered.com/livingroom/
What do you guys think?
I wonder what Valve has to show us in three days.
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Doc Holliday Sep 20, 2013 @ 10:40am 
this will be the Linux based on Ubuntu LTS using a custom repo will it not?
blackout24 Sep 20, 2013 @ 10:45am 
Imagine the Steambox being based on a minimal Linux (hopefully) gets as big as XBOX or Play Station... When Microsoft announced their first XBOX I didn't think they could pull it of and get into the console market which was basically split between Nintendo and Sony.
Now Valve really knows the gaming market in and out, has a huge network and awesome games and has proven to always lead the pack with digital distribution, F2P, etc. I just hope they make all the right decisions. With the launch of PS4 and XBox One it's might be difficult timing.

I wonder what Valve has to show us in three days.

Three days... HL3 confirmed!!!!
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TheSniperFan Sep 20, 2013 @ 10:55am 
Originally posted by Doc Holliday:
this will be the Linux based on Ubuntu LTS using a custom repo will it not?
This is almost certain. Valve uses Ubuntu as primary distrubition and already has a repo running.


Originally posted by AbartigerNorbert:
Imagine the Steambox being based on a minimal Linux (hopefully) gets as big as XBOX or Play Station... When Microsoft announced their first XBOX I didn't think they could pull it of and get into the console market which was basically split between Nintendo and Sony.
Now Valve really knows the gaming market in and out, has a huge network and awesome games and has proven to always lead the pack with digital distribution, F2P, etc.
I don't know.
I think it'll be a "standardized PC". This would help a lot against the #1 excuse for poorly optimized games:
"There are too many different configurations."

It would be great if developers would support PC games the same way they support consoles. Optimize and test on one (or very few*) specific configurations.

I wonder how this will affect Linux support.
I mean, where do we stand as of now?
-Valve supports Linux
-CryTek is working on Linux support right now
-Unity based games often support Linux (mostly Indies)
-Blizzard is open to the option

*Who knows, maybe there will be different SteamBoxes in different price-leagues.
2point4 Sep 20, 2013 @ 11:01am 
Originally posted by TheSniperFan:
It would be great if developers would support PC games the same way they support consoles. Optimize and test on one (or very few*) specific configurations.
This would be the worst thing for PC gaming. If you think there is a problem with bad ports from consoles now (which there is), then PC gaming might be ruined for you forever if something like this begins to happen. I've voiced my concerns over this exact topic since the announcement of the Steambox last year. Should it become a reality, then PC gaming will suffer and we can look forward to a future of console gaming.

Originally posted by instabilis:
http://store.steampowered.com/app/247120/
So...Kinect? Truly groundbreaking... I hope it's not a part of the announcements next week and is just something on the side.
Doc Holliday Sep 20, 2013 @ 11:06am 
Originally posted by TheSniperFan:
Originally posted by Doc Holliday:
this will be the Linux based on Ubuntu LTS using a custom repo will it not?
This is almost certain. Valve uses Ubuntu as primary distrubition and already has a repo running.


Originally posted by AbartigerNorbert:
Imagine the Steambox being based on a minimal Linux (hopefully) gets as big as XBOX or Play Station... When Microsoft announced their first XBOX I didn't think they could pull it of and get into the console market which was basically split between Nintendo and Sony.
Now Valve really knows the gaming market in and out, has a huge network and awesome games and has proven to always lead the pack with digital distribution, F2P, etc.
I don't know.
I think it'll be a "standardized PC". This would help a lot against the #1 excuse for poorly optimized games:
"There are too many different configurations."

It would be great if developers would support PC games the same way they support consoles. Optimize and test on one (or very few*) specific configurations.

I wonder how this will affect Linux support.
I mean, where do we stand as of now?
-Valve supports Linux
-CryTek is working on Linux support right now
-Unity based games often support Linux (mostly Indies)
-Blizzard is open to the option

*Who knows, maybe there will be different SteamBoxes in different price-leagues.

Gabe said he wants PC's to be open as they can be unlike the PS3 or Xbone
TheSniperFan Sep 20, 2013 @ 11:11am 
Originally posted by 2point4:
Originally posted by TheSniperFan:
It would be great if developers would support PC games the same way they support consoles. Optimize and test on one (or very few*) specific configurations.
This would be the worst thing for PC gaming. If you think there is a problem with bad ports from consoles now (which there is), then PC gaming might be ruined for you forever if something like this begins to happen. I've voiced my concerns over this exact topic since the announcement of the Steambox last year. Should it become a reality, then PC gaming will suffer and we can look forward to a future of console gaming.
"[...]the worst thing for[...]" is a very, very bold statement, don't you think so?
I'd really appreciate if you'd be a tad less dramatic and explain your position.
Currently I don't see your point given the following aspects.

1. The next gen consoles also use x86 architecture and are said to be easy to develop for. This will lower costs for developing console games.
2. PC games have a lot of exclusive issues given the many different soft- and hardware-configurations. Fixing this stuff costs.
3. Console games make a lot more money than PC games.

In my opinion "the worst thing for PC gaming" would be more developers/publishers would stop supporting PC gaming.

Originally posted by 2point4:
Originally posted by instabilis:
http://store.steampowered.com/app/247120/
So...Kinect? Truly groundbreaking... I hope it's not a part of the announcements next week and is just something on the side.
Ahhh, the Kinect.
The innovation no one bloody asked for. :D
TheSniperFan Sep 20, 2013 @ 11:12am 
Originally posted by Doc Holliday:
Originally posted by TheSniperFan:
This is almost certain. Valve uses Ubuntu as primary distrubition and already has a repo running.


I don't know.
I think it'll be a "standardized PC". This would help a lot against the #1 excuse for poorly optimized games:
"There are too many different configurations."

It would be great if developers would support PC games the same way they support consoles. Optimize and test on one (or very few*) specific configurations.

I wonder how this will affect Linux support.
I mean, where do we stand as of now?
-Valve supports Linux
-CryTek is working on Linux support right now
-Unity based games often support Linux (mostly Indies)
-Blizzard is open to the option

*Who knows, maybe there will be different SteamBoxes in different price-leagues.

Gabe said he wants PC's to be open as they can be unlike the PS3 or Xbone
Okay, so what has this to do with what I said?
2point4 Sep 20, 2013 @ 11:25am 
Originally posted by TheSniperFan:
In my opinion "the worst thing for PC gaming" would be more developers/publishers would stop supporting PC gaming.
And focusing on developing for one set of standards is essentially stopping support for PC gaming. This is what we call console development.
Ahhh, the Kinect.
The innovation no one bloody asked for. :D
Yet here is Valve riding on Microsoft's coat tails and adding support for something no one bloody asked for.
TheSniperFan Sep 20, 2013 @ 11:41am 
Originally posted by 2point4:
Originally posted by TheSniperFan:
In my opinion "the worst thing for PC gaming" would be more developers/publishers would stop supporting PC gaming.
And focusing on developing for one set of standards is essentially stopping support for PC gaming. This is what we call console development.
No, "stopping support for PC gaming" is stopping developing games that run on PCs and as long as the games run on PCs, they're not stopping supporting PCs.
And no, "console development" is develpoing for consoles. Developing for a specific set of hardware is one thing that comes with developing for consoles, but it's not a bad thing.
Right now it sounds like you want this aspect that differentiates PC and console development (different configurations vs single configuration) to stay despite it bringing nothing but problems...for the sake of it being a PC thing?
This sounds very elitist.

I'm not completely sure, but I think that you are afraid that the SteamBox will be a Console in disguise. I wasn't talking about games only running on the SteamBox, but merely being tested on it. That way gamers have the safety of knowing that the game WILL run on their machine if it's a SteamBox or a PC with similar or better specs.


Originally posted by 2point4:
Ahhh, the Kinect.
The innovation no one bloody asked for. :D
Yet here is Valve riding on Microsoft's coat tails and adding support for something no one bloody asked for.
Well, supporting something and actively pushing something aren't two different things.
As long as Valve doesn't start acting like Kinect is the next big thing in gaming, I'm fine with them supporting it. Even if I won't use the Kinect, someone somewhere will be happy about being able to do so with Steam.
Last edited by TheSniperFan; Sep 20, 2013 @ 11:42am
UraniumDeer Sep 20, 2013 @ 11:51am 
The images under the big-♥♥♥ screen, clearly depicts forever-alone-person on normal pc, and forever-alone-person on big screen, and 2 player split-screen!
xD

Also regarding the anouncement.
If memory serves, then the SteamOS - SteamBox or whatever it's called, will be able to install on any hardware that is supported by Linux, but will also be preinstalled on whatever console-like-pc-type-deal they find best suited. I know there was a bit of trouble with Piston, and the company that was supposed to be supplier, so I don't really know the final outcome of that.

My guess/hope is details on their OS, and with Gabens wishes regarding openness my hope is that it's not based on anything Ubuntu.
Last edited by UraniumDeer; Sep 20, 2013 @ 12:07pm
Doc Holliday Sep 20, 2013 @ 12:38pm 
Netflix?
TheSniperFan Sep 20, 2013 @ 2:59pm 
Originally posted by Doc Holliday:
Netflix?
What's with Netflix?
UraniumDeer Sep 20, 2013 @ 3:18pm 
Wayland + Netflix + Steam + Distro build for gaming, would be absolutely awesome. If that's a reality anytime soon, I'm not even sure I'll bother with getting win7 up and running again :P
I think it's optimistic though, unless netflix exists as an app in steam, which would also be quite acceptable, until they figure out if the premium video extensions can be part of HTML5 or not.
Cybertao Sep 20, 2013 @ 3:49pm 
I agree with AbartigerNorbert here, limited hardware configurations would be detrimental to PC development.
Developers would make their games for that limited platform. It would be like OSX: Apple have a limited selection of hardware options so if you want a Hackintosh it has to be similar hardware. The purpose of PC operating systems is to create a layer of abstraction. I certainly hope the Steambox is open, even though that means it's just PC hardware where installing Windows is a viable option (Valve and third-party developers will not be dropping Windows support).

The bigger concern is software development. If Valve decide to stick with Canonical we could see Linux ports limited to Ubuntu.
Tristan! Sep 20, 2013 @ 5:54pm 
Family sharing is probably one of them.
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