Junior s2 Camila Sep 15, 2013 @ 10:36pm
Linux Mint has no security?
I remember a moderator saying something about this on a discussion a few weeks ago, but the discussions has been deleted.

Also, I'd be pleased if you point out the advantages and disadvantages of Mint over Debian =]
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Doc Holliday Sep 16, 2013 @ 6:21am 
Originally posted by GNU/Linux - Junior s2 Camila:
I remember a moderator saying something about this on a discussion a few weeks ago, but the discussions has been deleted.

Also, I'd be pleased if you point out the advantages and disadvantages of Mint over Debian =]

Linux Mint, has the same security as Ubuntu, now as for Debian stable, on the other hand is more well tested, for security, bugs, etc, then most any Linux, and, a lot of the "security" comes from the kernel any ways and, Xorg is UnSecure as it has root, but some of the best "security" on Linux is to have good "security policy's" Firewall, no Root, Etc, all software will have some type of exploits no software is 100% Secure and, Wayland, will boost security as you will not need need root for it to run ohh yeah and, Debian, is not using Sudo, i lot of users call Sudo, unsafe.
Zyro Sep 16, 2013 @ 6:25am 
Originally posted by Doc Holliday:
Linux Mint, has the same security as Ubuntu, now as for Debian stable

As far as I know, Mint Debian Edition is based on debian Testing, so how does it get the security of stable? Debian stable has got a security team, I'm not sure about Debian Testing, though...

Originally posted by Doc Holliday:
Debian, is not using Sudo, i lot of users call Sudo, unsafe.

That's hardly a sentence. Are you trying to say that Debian does not include sudo? That's not true, of course.
Sin Sep 16, 2013 @ 6:29am 
I remember having to add myself to the sudoers list when I installed Debian; it doesn't give sudo access the same way as Ubuntu does since a root account is separate from a standard user account, which does have security benefits. You have to su -s me thinks if you want to enter root.
Doc Holliday Sep 16, 2013 @ 6:31am 
Originally posted by Zyro:
Originally posted by Doc Holliday:
Linux Mint, has the same security as Ubuntu, now as for Debian stable

As far as I know, Mint Debian Edition is based on debian Testing, so how does it get the security of stable? Debian stable has got a security team, I'm not sure about Debian Testing, though...

Originally posted by Doc Holliday:
Debian, is not using Sudo, i lot of users call Sudo, unsafe.

That's hardly a sentence. Are you trying to say that Debian does not include sudo? That's not true, of course.

list time i did a debian install sudo was in the repo's not install by default and, from what i can see he was asking about Linux Mint, not LMDE,
SamCoupe Sep 16, 2013 @ 6:35am 
I seem to remember reading that they have no "dedicated security team", I think that was on here. Not really the same thing as "no security".

I've also heard elsewhere that security updates usually take a little bit longer to get to Mint, although I think that came from someone involved in Ubuntu so... ;)

I suppose the advantage over vanilla Debian is purely that it's a bit more pre-configured.

For me the main disadvantage is just that it's a smaller project that is pretty much dependant on one guy so there's more chance of it just disappearing... though of course most projects start off that way.

One other thing that I'm a little uneasy about with Mint is that despite them having fewer resources than other distros they seem to be doing a hell of a lot: Ubuntu Mint, Debian Mint, Cinnamon, Mate etc etc etc which makes me worry they're spreading themselves a little thin. I've no idea if I'm justified in that. Perhaps this is just a symptom of so much of the Ubuntu community moving to them that they've got lots of labour available. Be interested to hear other people's opinion on this.
Zyro Sep 16, 2013 @ 6:46am 
Originally posted by Doc Holliday:
list time i did a debian install sudo was in the repo's not install by default

That seems to be true (and took me by surprise). I wouldn't consider sudo vs su any security issue, though. Either way you have to think about what you're doing as root.

Originally posted by Doc Holliday:
and, from what i can see he was asking about Linux Mint, not LMDE,

I thought that was why you mentioned Debian. Anyway, if it's not as... "stable" as Debian, it cannot get the security support fdrom Debians stable security team.
Doc Holliday Sep 16, 2013 @ 6:51am 
Originally posted by 1000MB:
I seem to remember reading that they have no "dedicated security team", I think that was on here. Not really the same thing as "no security".

I've also heard elsewhere that security updates usually take a little bit longer to get to Mint, although I think that came from someone involved in Ubuntu so... ;)

I suppose the advantage over vanilla Debian is purely that it's a bit more pre-configured.

For me the main disadvantage is just that it's a smaller project that is pretty much dependant on one guy so there's more chance of it just disappearing... though of course most projects start off that way.

One other thing that I'm a little uneasy about with Mint is that despite them having fewer resources than other distros they seem to be doing a hell of a lot: Ubuntu Mint, Debian Mint, Cinnamon, Mate etc etc etc which makes me worry they're spreading themselves a little thin. I've no idea if I'm justified in that. Perhaps this is just a symptom of so much of the Ubuntu community moving to them that they've got lots of labour available. Be interested to hear other people's opinion on this.

Linux Mint has a huge community over 80k just on the community website alone it's not just one guy doing this
http://community.linuxmint.com/
Junior s2 Camila Sep 16, 2013 @ 7:14am 
I used Debian since 6.0 and I never needed to install sudo. The only difference is that your account is not on the sudoers file by default, meaning you have to add them manually with "# addgroup yourusername sudo" and then logoff/login.

I wasn't sure about which security I was talking about so that was the reason I said 'Mint has no security'.
The testing branch of Debian does have a security team, but it's not as good as the team handling the Unstable or Stable branches. http://www.debian.org/security/faq.en.html#testing

The fact that LMDE gets updates slower than Debian makes it vulnerable for a longer period of time. I remember that some updates took days of difference from Ubuntu to Mint. I'm not sure this is still the case.

But from what I saw here in the forum, even a mod (friend of mine) recommended users NOT to use Mint. I'll go check on him to see what he has to say.
Sin Sep 16, 2013 @ 7:29am 
Originally posted by GNU/Linux - Junior s2 Camila:
I used Debian since 6.0 and I never needed to install sudo. The only difference is that your account is not on the sudoers file by default, meaning you have to add them manually with "# addgroup yourusername sudo" and then logoff/login.

Type
visudo
and then you won't have to go through all that. ^^
Doc Holliday Sep 16, 2013 @ 11:10am 
Originally posted by GNU/Linux - Junior s2 Camila:
I used Debian since 6.0 and I never needed to install sudo. The only difference is that your account is not on the sudoers file by default, meaning you have to add them manually with "# addgroup yourusername sudo" and then logoff/login.

I wasn't sure about which security I was talking about so that was the reason I said 'Mint has no security'.
The testing branch of Debian does have a security team, but it's not as good as the team handling the Unstable or Stable branches. http://www.debian.org/security/faq.en.html#testing

The fact that LMDE gets updates slower than Debian makes it vulnerable for a longer period of time. I remember that some updates took days of difference from Ubuntu to Mint. I'm not sure this is still the case.

But from what I saw here in the forum, even a mod (friend of mine) recommended users NOT to use Mint. I'll go check on him to see what he has to say.

Most of the Linuxmint 13 and up updates come directly from the Ubuntu database so as for Linuxmint 13, 14, 15, and up so you get the updates at the same time as Ubuntu 12.04 and up do as for LMDE hmm if you ask me its more for developers and is Mint's Plan B if Ubuntu fails if you want true security you need to Isolate sensitive information on a computer that has never been hooked up to the internet the NSA will find a way just like any good hacker to get into your system there is no way to stop them you only can delay them

Edit i found what you was talking about its what some random person posted

Originally posted by Chrisfu:
Gnome 3 has been fine from 3.6 onwards. Classic desktop mode is available and it's pretty stable and lean resource-usage wise (against some other DE's).

Also, I'd say to think carefully about using Mint. They use Ubuntu as their base in the same way that Canonical used Debian "testing" for Ubuntu, and security updates can be very slow to make it across to Mint. Alas, Mint have no dedicated security team. Personally that makes Mint a no-go for me.

and what he said is not true the updates for come at the same time as they are pulled from the Ubuntu servers on release to your Mint Box!
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Junior s2 Camila Sep 16, 2013 @ 11:36am 
Thanks, that was the post I was looking.
What he said isn't false =]
Doc Holliday Sep 16, 2013 @ 12:03pm 
Originally posted by GNU/Linux - Junior s2 Camila:
Thanks, that was the post I was looking.
What he said isn't false =]

it was for updates to Linux Mint 13 and up as they use the same security updates as Ubuntu at the same time but on the other hand Ubuntu has Amazon Ad's pre installed you don't see that on Mint and you have to remember blue systems and many more are backing Linux Mint so you know they're looking over the OS's as well and now that openSUSE developers are backing the MATE desktop this will make it even better :) also it's getting full Wayland support and Gnome 3+ apps
blackout24 Sep 16, 2013 @ 1:09pm 
The least secure Linux distro probably is still 10x more secure than Windows.
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