intok Jul 12, 2013 @ 12:30am
The store and ads:
Ok, there are those of us that only run Linux, there are those that only run Mac and I suspect that they deal with this as well.

Why bother showing games to people that they can't run? If I've never logged in on Windows why show me games that only works on Windows? Seems every other time I come out of a game or update the client I get an ad, to date only 2 of those ads has shown me a game that was compatible.

When you open the store page it shows a handful of compatible games and a whole bunch that aren't, it shouldn't be hard for you to check the OS in the user agent string and adjust the shop accordingly.

On DLC and Expansions that require the base game. Why are these part of the main store pages? They represent unnecessary clutter in the list since they are useless unless you buy the base game first, if you can find it under the dozens of $2 DLC items.
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LOLCAT Jul 12, 2013 @ 2:57am 
Using an operating system is not something you're born with and cannot change. Maybe someone else will dual boot or something and find those useful. I think it's good that you can see all games from all platforms, then you can choose whatever you like. Freedom of choice.
aliceif Jul 12, 2013 @ 3:07am 
No. Linux should not be completely separated from Windows. That would basically nullify one of the best things about Steam on Linux: showing people that there is an alternative operating system that is supported and that even runs on commodity hardware, unlike Mac OSX.

In my opinion, Linux, Mac and windows should be presented equally on steam and simply not showing games is wrong.
Not to forget that there are games that do not run directly on <operating system here> that can however be run natively with sourceports (e.g. doom, quake), fanmade modifications (e.g. terraria) or using the linux/mac version of dosbox when the windows version uses it too (e.g. space quest collection, apogee throwback pack).

And by the way, you can filter DLC out by unchecking the little box at the top of the list on the genre pages. And you can also make DLC not appear when searching, too.
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mattyy1hp Jul 12, 2013 @ 3:10am 
+1 I use only Linux and I don't care about new FarCry3, Bioshock etc. because I can't play these games anyway.
aliceif Jul 12, 2013 @ 3:14am 
Well, YOU are not everyone.
It is like saying "Don't show me all those modern FPSes, I have a useless graphics card from ten years ago and I am using a laptop". Checking that is not worth the effort for Valve and showing games you will not play does not harm anyone in any way.
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Zyro Jul 12, 2013 @ 3:21am 
Originally posted by LOLCAT:
Using an operating system is not something you're born with and cannot change. Maybe someone else will dual boot or something and find those useful.

Then you'll get the Windows (only) games when you've booted into Windows.
Should be fine for everybody.
mattyy1hp Jul 12, 2013 @ 3:24am 
Originally posted by aliceif:
Well, YOU are not everyone.
It is like saying "Don't show me all those modern FPSes, I have a useless graphics card from ten years ago and I am using a laptop". Checking that is not worth the effort for Valve and showing games you will not play does not harm anyone in any way.

Well. I didn't say anything about my computer hardware. (Btw. don't worry I'm going to buy a new laptop soon). I meant that I can't play these games because my OS is Linux.
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Zyro Jul 12, 2013 @ 3:29am 
Every company tries to target their adds as exact as they can. Vavle should, too.
[Linux] hosefflatt Jul 12, 2013 @ 3:48pm 
I don't know about anyone else, but I have a "Linux" tab that only shows me stuff that works on Linux.
intok Jul 12, 2013 @ 11:21pm 
Originally posted by Linux hosefflatt:
I don't know about anyone else, but I have a "Linux" tab that only shows me stuff that works on Linux.

This doesn't affect ads sent via Steam nor does it help filter the store stat page in client or browser.

Originally posted by LOLCAT:
Using an operating system is not something you're born with and cannot change. Maybe someone else will dual boot or something and find those useful. I think it's good that you can see all games from all platforms, then you can choose whatever you like. Freedom of choice.

Simple, I don't buy Macs or prebuilt Wintel boxes and I see no value in buying a Windows license.

Would you tell a Mac user to buy Windows just because they can run it via Bootcamp? I don't think most of them would take that advice.

Originally posted by aliceif:
No. Linux should not be completely separated from Windows. That would basically nullify one of the best things about Steam on Linux: showing people that there is an alternative operating system that is supported and that even runs on commodity hardware, unlike Mac OSX.

In my opinion, Linux, Mac and windows should be presented equally on steam and simply not showing games is wrong.
Not to forget that there are games that do not run directly on <operating system here> that can however be run natively with sourceports (e.g. doom, quake), fanmade modifications (e.g. terraria) or using the linux/mac version of dosbox when the windows version uses it too (e.g. space quest collection, apogee throwback pack).

And by the way, you can filter DLC out by unchecking the little box at the top of the list on the genre pages. And you can also make DLC not appear when searching, too.

The game companies don't treat Linux and OS X like they treat Linux and many wont for years. Linux is currently near where OS X was about 10 years ago in terms of gaming, I know, I used to own Macs during the PPC days and the situation was pretty much identical, but now instead of Macplay, Aspyr Blizzard, Id and Epic providing a few new games, but mostly ports of games that where around 3 years old or older.

On Linux all we have is Valve, Double Fine, Egosoft and Paradox providing a few new games, but mostly ports of games that are around 3 years old or older. Both Linux of today and Macs of 10 years ago had several indy devs, but very few tried and true game devs that everyone has heard of.

Granted, the indy devs of today are putting out more ambitious games with teams like Frictional, Trendy, Frozenbyte, Black Pants, and Almost Human.

Heres the thing, OS X didn't gain much of any ground for nearly 10 years, with the introduction of Intel CPUs and Cider from the Cedega team helping kill off the native porting.

Originally posted by Zyro:
Originally posted by LOLCAT:
Using an operating system is not something you're born with and cannot change. Maybe someone else will dual boot or something and find those useful.

Then you'll get the Windows (only) games when you've booted into Windows.
Should be fine for everybody.

Finally, someone who speaks english.

It's trivial for Valve to check and log the user agent string from the Steam client, since it is just a very limited web browser to check if you've logged into your account on what OSs in the last 6 months and show ads and games accordingly. I'm not saying remove the logos and system requirement lists of the various OSs from every game page.
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aliceif Jul 13, 2013 @ 1:07am 
You didn't read my post, did you?
Separating the store is not the right thing to do in my opinion. And it doesn't actually do anything useful for Valve. Why check for strings and such if all it does is show people less ads which would actually affect Valve negatively.
There is zero incentive for Valve to not show Windows-related ads to Linux. Showing those ads doesn't harm them in any way, shape or form, and implementing a check to see which systems the user uses is just a waste of time and money for Valve.
Now stop making such a ridiculous request.
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Zyro Jul 13, 2013 @ 1:55am 
Originally posted by aliceif:
You didn't read my post, did you?
Separating the store is not the right thing to do in my opinion. And it doesn't actually do anything useful for Valve. Why check for strings and such if all it does is show people less ads which would actually affect Valve negatively.
There is zero incentive for Valve to not show Windows-related ads to Linux. Showing those ads doesn't harm them in any way, shape or form, and implementing a check to see which systems the user uses is just a waste of time and money for Valve.
Now stop making such a ridiculous request.

What you're saying is the opposite of what companies are spending million (or probably billion) bucks on. It's called targeting.
You can find our more about it here, for example: http://www.rhsmith.umd.edu/faculty/wmoe/Moe%20Banner%20Ad%20Chapter.pdf , especially under "Contextual Targeting".
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intok Jul 14, 2013 @ 10:25am 
Originally posted by aliceif:
You didn't read my post, did you?
Separating the store is not the right thing to do in my opinion. And it doesn't actually do anything useful for Valve. Why check for strings and such if all it does is show people less ads which would actually affect Valve negatively.
There is zero incentive for Valve to not show Windows-related ads to Linux. Showing those ads doesn't harm them in any way, shape or form, and implementing a check to see which systems the user uses is just a waste of time and money for Valve.
Now stop making such a ridiculous request.

Look at it this way, you are advocating the advertisement of gasoline to truckers. Semi trucks run on diesel, if they put gasoline in the diesel engine they will wreck the engine.

Trying to sell Windows only games to Linux and Mac users is the same deal, it's not compatible and doing so is a waste of time, money and bandwidth that can ultimately cause ill will with n00bs that didn't check the specs and are upset that they where sold a product they can't use.
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CaptSilver666 Jul 14, 2013 @ 2:20pm 
It is all about if it is effective or not. I bought several windows only games from my linux steam client from the ads, so I would call them effective. It is about making money, not what is logical.
intok Jul 14, 2013 @ 9:58pm 
Originally posted by CaptSilver666:
It is all about if it is effective or not. I bought several windows only games from my linux steam client from the ads, so I would call them effective. It is about making money, not what is logical.

Well, did you buy said games just to buy them or do you actually use Steam on Windows as well? If you've logged in on both in 6 months then you should see ads for both. If you've only ever used one you should only see ads for that.
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