Te3-BloodyIron Jun 8, 2013 @ 7:47pm
Allow downloads anyways
NewVegas is Platinum rated on winehq. I'd like to download my legal copy of Fallout New Vegas and wrestle with it with WINE and maybe shoot some baddies. Can you please enable a way for us to download the content "anyways" even though it wont work in Linux natively? Or perhaps an advanced option to unlock such things?

Thanks for your work so far VALVe! :3
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[REB] Lady From Hell Jun 8, 2013 @ 7:52pm 
do what the rest of us do, dual boot. i have two hdd's one for each os, or if you have one partition it. use xp or 7. I typically stay away from wine, to much of a headache.
Junior s2 Camila Jun 8, 2013 @ 7:53pm 
I don't see the point of this and please don't judge me. So, you want to download the game to play it through wine, why don't just download it though Wine? There's no need to ask Valve to enable downloads on any platform in you situation, you're gonna have the game files in either way.
[REB] Lady From Hell Jun 8, 2013 @ 7:58pm 
Originally posted by Linux Junior s2 Camila:
I don't see the point of this and please don't judge me. So, you want to download the game to play it through wine, why don't just download it though Wine? There's no need to ask Valve to enable downloads on any platform in you situation, you're gonna have the game files in either way.
-not judging- but have you ever tried to use steam in wine? its like kicking yourself in the balls, painful, difficult, and no good end results.
Te3-BloodyIron Jun 8, 2013 @ 8:10pm 
I don't think my request is unreasonable here.
Junior s2 Camila Jun 8, 2013 @ 8:11pm 
Originally posted by REB Lady From Hell:
Originally posted by Linux Junior s2 Camila:
I don't see the point of this and please don't judge me. So, you want to download the game to play it through wine, why don't just download it though Wine? There's no need to ask Valve to enable downloads on any platform in you situation, you're gonna have the game files in either way.
-not judging- but have you ever tried to use steam in wine? its like kicking yourself in the balls, painful, difficult, and no good end results.
Yes, that's why I see no point here since he'd be playing with the help of Wine =)
It's like asking for more sugar in a can of Coke, he wouldn't be able to anything special downloading a Windows game via the Linux client.
Pepe Jun 8, 2013 @ 8:46pm 
It's cannot be bad.. +1
I would prefer this option rather than wine with steam's overlay, 'cos steam's overlay through wine consumes 200% CPU on Intel-I7 :-/
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s.plisskin [Archlinux] Jun 8, 2013 @ 10:40pm 
Who's this mythical "rest of us"? I don't own Windows and have no interest in aquiring it. However i think it's better to avoid games for Windows only myself. Why support devs who don't support us?
Junior s2 Camila Jun 8, 2013 @ 10:46pm 
Originally posted by s.plisskin Archlinux:
Who's this mythical "rest of us"? I don't own Windows and have no interest in aquiring it. However i think it's better to avoid games for Windows only myself. Why support devs who don't support us?
This.
Oerthling Jun 9, 2013 @ 1:46am 
Originally posted by REB Lady From Hell:
do what the rest of us do, dual boot. i have two hdd's one for each os, or if you have one partition it. use xp or 7.

Dual booting is annoying.
Why would I want to do that when I can run the program on wine?
And the "rest of us" is less people than you think – otherwise wine wouldn't be used this much.

Originally posted by REB Lady From Hell:
I typically stay away from wine, to much of a headache.

Then you'd be surprised how many games run fine on wine.
Oerthling Jun 9, 2013 @ 1:49am 
Originally posted by Linux Junior s2 Camila:
I don't see the point of this and please don't judge me. So, you want to download the game to play it through wine, why don't just download it though Wine? There's no need to ask Valve to enable downloads on any platform in you situation, you're gonna have the game files in either way.

Simple. Why would I want to install the windows version of wine when there is a perfectly nice native Linux one available. Most of the time the windows on wine version runs fine - but occasionally an update will break fonts or something. Valve is not testing if Steam runs well on wine - but they do test and fix Steam on Linux.

Plus statistics.
Oerthling Jun 9, 2013 @ 1:53am 
Originally posted by REB Lady From Hell:
-not judging- but have you ever tried to use steam in wine? its like kicking yourself in the balls, painful, difficult, and no good end results.

I have been using Steam via wine for half a decade now and had few problems with it.
Sometimes there are problems - but a bit of googling always fixed that - and most of the time it runs without problems. Very good end results actually.

Most Steam/wine problems are AMD driver problems. I had few problems while using NVidia.
Oerthling Jun 9, 2013 @ 1:55am 
Originally posted by Te3-BloodyIron (farewell jade):
I don't think my request is unreasonable here.

Not unreasonable - but unrealistic I'm afraid.

I would like that feature - but it's gonna happen.
The problem is not technical - but legal/practical/financial.

As soon as Valve integrates such a feature - people will make Valve responsible when it doesn't work. And they don't want to deal with the support requests/demands that come with that. Too costly and distracting.
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Oerthling Jun 9, 2013 @ 2:05am 
Originally posted by s.plisskin Archlinux:
Why support devs who don't support us?

Game devs don't usually support a particular OS. They would like their game to be buyable by the greatest number of people. Primarily that means that they have to have it run on Windows.

Porting a game involves effort/cost. Especially if particular Windows specific features have been used (DirectX, .Net, etc...).

The major thing working for us is the explosion of mobile market share. Now game devs consider tablets a worthwhile addition. So they have to avoid Windows specific features anyway (less directx, more opengl - or use some abstraction layer) and they often port to Mac, IOS, Android anyway. If the game is recently written with portability in mind anyway - porting gets less costly, devs get more experience with it and finally adding a Linux version for another 2% is getting more viable. Especially when it gets them a foot at the door at Steambox launch or being able to be part of special sales.

Also the Humble Indie Bundles have been really helpful. HIB prefers multi-platform games and the HIB sales have become a serious part of smaller game devs income. So even if the 2% Linux desktop market share is not enough reason to port - being part of the HIB is.
Junior s2 Camila Jun 9, 2013 @ 2:53am 
Originally posted by JUSTME:
Originally posted by Linux Junior s2 Camila:
I don't see the point of this and please don't judge me. So, you want to download the game to play it through wine, why don't just download it though Wine? There's no need to ask Valve to enable downloads on any platform in you situation, you're gonna have the game files in either way.

Simple. Why would I want to install the windows version of wine when there is a perfectly nice native Linux one available. Most of the time the windows on wine version runs fine - but occasionally an update will break fonts or something. Valve is not testing if Steam runs well on wine - but they do test and fix Steam on Linux.

Plus statistics.
The game he wants to download is Windows exclusive, meaning he must play it with the help of WINE. I don't see where's the logic in:

* Downloading a Windows only version of a game on a Linux client. He wouldn't be able to play it;

* Asking for being able to download a game that WOULD run on both platforms anway. In this case you'd be right, no need to download it and then running it on WINE when the game runs on Linux too, but this is not the case, the game he wants to download is Windows-Only.
LOLCAT Jun 9, 2013 @ 3:09am 
The games are DRM protected and won't run without a windows version of Steam running in the background logged into an account that owns the games. Working around this "problem" would be against the SSA and would get your account banned. End of story, they'll never let you do this. Install Steam in wine and download and play if you don't want to install windows. Simple.
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