glombus Mar 1, 2013 @ 9:42pm
Any other NVIDIA 8600GT users?
I'm assuming this is more an NVIDIA issue than Steam, but I'm not really sure and was wondering if any other 8600GT users are able to run Steam without problems.

From what I've read the 8600 GT is still considered a "modern" card, but I am seeing pretty bad performance.

I've tried Ubuntu 12.04, 12.10, a fresh install of Debian wheezy, and a fresh install of Arch, and I'm consintently seeing ~15fps.

So at this point I have to assume this card just does not play well with Linux/Steam, or I'm consinstely doing something wrong.

And just since I haven't mentioned it before: I love all Valve is doing for Linux. Thank you for your hard work!
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さくら Mar 1, 2013 @ 10:07pm 
9800 GTX here, and I haven't been seeing that.

What version of which driver are you using?

What does /etc/X11/xorg.conf say in the "Module" section and "Device" section?

And what does glxinfo have to say (not the full output, skip the lines that start with 0x, and for the moment, the tab indented ones)

Also, what are you seeing ~15 fps in?
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Vasi4_5 Mar 1, 2013 @ 11:00pm 
I use 8600Gt and get 70fps on low-medium settings...Install Nvidia 310.32 if you are not with it.
Junior s2 Camila Mar 1, 2013 @ 11:06pm 
You should considering disabling HDR on video options if you're having bad performance on TF2.

Other than that, fps could drop randomly and for that I have found a pretty god fix, that fixes fps problems and addition to that gives the system a boost on speed =)

http://steamcommunity.com/app/221410/discussions/0/864960986991466725/
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I'm testing Ubuntu 13.04, and disabling Anti-Aliasing causes fps not to drop anymore.
TarrasQ Mar 3, 2013 @ 12:48pm 
8600GT, Fedora 18 64b, 304 drivers
I don't see anything special in my 3D performance.
blackout24 Mar 3, 2013 @ 12:49pm 
Why would you use the crappy old and buggy 304 drivers? NVIDIA released the new 310 branch with the Steam for Linux Beta on puprose because the old drivers suck and are slow. You'll gain 25% FPS with 310 or newer.

8000 series is the oldest still supported generation of the new 310 driver branch.
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Shark Mar 3, 2013 @ 1:03pm 
I wouldn't really call it a moderns card, the 8000 series was released in 2006. But aside from that it's more than enough to get higher fps than that, you should probably install the drivers from nvidia.
blackout24 Mar 3, 2013 @ 1:06pm 
Ubuntu really should move to a rolling release model this way people would stop using drivers that are over a year old and wonder why they aren't super fast. On Windows you can use 1 year old drivers and you'll be fine...because they are on a way different level to begin with.
さくら Mar 3, 2013 @ 1:13pm 
Originally posted by t.jp Arch:
Ubuntu really should move to a rolling release model this way people would stop using drivers that are over a year old and wonder why they aren't super fast. On Windows you can use 1 year old drivers and you'll be fine...because they are on a way different level to begin with.

Higher version numbers don't always mean they work better -- and some versions of some programs/drivers have specifically/spectacularly annoying bugs that make them unpleasant to use.

Originally posted by t.jp Arch:
Why would you use the crappy old and buggy 304 drivers? NVIDIA released the new 310 branch with the Steam for Linux Beta on puprose because the old drivers suck and are slow. You'll gain 25% FPS with 310 or newer.

8000 series is the oldest still supported generation of the new 310 driver branch.

Probably the 304 series is still the only one in their package manager? The 310 branch requires (last I checked) getting it off of Nvidia's site, which means that it's not going to be spotted as soon.

And assuming that there really is a 25% difference in performance between the 304 and 310 series (sounds too round), since the other person mentioned no problems with the 304 series -- then it's quite likely that there's probably something (which the OP hasn't gotten back to this thread about) that is making it specially slower for them.
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blackout24 Mar 3, 2013 @ 1:21pm 
Originally posted by さくら:
Originally posted by t.jp Arch:
Ubuntu really should move to a rolling release model this way people would stop using drivers that are over a year old and wonder why they aren't super fast. On Windows you can use 1 year old drivers and you'll be fine...because they are on a way different level to begin with.

Higher version numbers don't always mean they work better -- and some versions of some programs/drivers have specifically/spectacularly annoying bugs that make them unpleasant to use.

Originally posted by t.jp Arch:
Why would you use the crappy old and buggy 304 drivers? NVIDIA released the new 310 branch with the Steam for Linux Beta on puprose because the old drivers suck and are slow. You'll gain 25% FPS with 310 or newer.

8000 series is the oldest still supported generation of the new 310 driver branch.

Probably the 304 series is still the only one in their package manager? The 310 branch requires (last I checked) getting it off of Nvidia's site, which means that it's not going to be spotted as soon.

Since the other person mentioned no problems with the 304 series -- then it's quite likely that there's probably something (which the OP hasn't gotten back to this thread about) that is making it specially slower for them.

If you want to do gaming on Linux you have to be on the latest vendor driver. Period.
NVIDIA drivers are outstanding quality. I use their beta driver on Windows and Linux and never had a single problem. It just doesn't make any sense to use outdated drivers.

http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=nvidia_r310_linux&num=1
See for yourself. Valve even lists 310 as minimum requirement for Steam.

http://steamcommunity.com/app/221410/discussions/0/882965239739814065/#c882965239823203669
Here is what SS3 lead programmer has to say about 304 vs. 310. It's not even only about performance.

And yes you can use 310 from the Ubuntu repos. And no 310 is not beta. 310.32 is stable. 313.18 is beta but stable.
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Kano Mar 3, 2013 @ 1:28pm 
When you use wheezy you can use experimental to install the correct driver.
さくら Mar 3, 2013 @ 1:52pm 
I don't really all that much of a performance between the various drivers I've used -- 304 (which I stopped using because of an annoying bug), 310 (which had an annoyingly buggy installation for some reason), and currently 313 (which I installed on a whim).

So it's not *me* selecting the 304 driver, it's me pointing out that if it's working then it's likely that 304 is not the cause of the issue. <_<
[Linux] Trigger Mar 3, 2013 @ 5:22pm 
I'm sorry, my 8600GT died past december.

But still, this card ran great for me, everything looked fine even on GNU/Linux, Debian, Ubuntu, Knoppix, Gentoo, whatever you like.

Also used to install drivers from nVidia's webpage, maybe there's a little difference, I dunno.

My system is now running with a GTX260 which works just as fine but that probably won't help as it's a different card.
Tux9656 (3.14.12-ck1) Mar 3, 2013 @ 7:16pm 
I was running with a 8600GTS, but about a month ago I decided it was time to upgrade. The 8600 is not really considered a gaming card by today's standards. The GT 640 outperfoms the 8600 and by most standards the GTX 650 (what I upgraded to) is considered "entry level gaming," while the GT 640 is considered to be at the upper bounds of low end. Now, I'm not saying you can't still games with the 8600, but if you are looking to upgrade your performance, you can get a better card on newegg for under $100, if you wait for a deal. Otherwise, I'd have to agree with what other people said about using the lastest driver. The only thing that I can think to add is that you could try reducing the image quality settings in nvidia-settings and make sure you aren't forcing antialiasing or anisotropic filtering.
Junior s2 Camila Mar 3, 2013 @ 7:49pm 
It's really not a Ubuntu problem and not a Nvidia problem, it's fully related to STEAM, specially Team fortress 2. openSUSE used to have no problems at all, I could do a manuall install of whatever driver I wanted, but after some Steam update now I get 10fps, there's no way of getting more than that, even the old 304 driver used to work as well as 310, now nothing works.

Counter Strike Source works perfectly on either system, no fps drops. TF2 seems to drop on the 5 different systems I've tested, except after a manual kernel upgrade (listed by me above).

Other than that, Ubuntu 12.04, 12.10, 13.04, Linux Mint 13, 14, and openSUSE 12.2, all seem to have some sort of problem with TF2
glombus Mar 3, 2013 @ 7:54pm 
Thanks for all the feedback/comments.

It's TF2 where I've been seeing the performance issue. I haven't tried any other games. I've tried tons of different video configurations within steam and nvidia-settings (and a liberal number of reboots in between) with no luck.

I've been using 310.32 from Nvidia's site on Deb and Ubuntu, and it's definitely loading the nvidia driver based on the Xorg log. I used the Ubuntu-provided latest 310 experimtal drivers on ubuntu too but no luck.

I've tried a ton of different things from going back to 304, removing every Mesa/OpenGL related package (which purged all of gnome on my Debian partition), going down to fluxbox, verifying all the OpenGL.so.* symlinks were pointing to the 310.32 binaries, and I just never saw decent performance. I'm sure it's something I'm doing wrong, but I have no idea what.

In the end, I'm getting decent performance on Arch (averaging around ~50 - 60fps on medium settings). Before that it was just as bad as Ubuntu/Debian for me.

I can't even say for sure what the fix in Arch was that got me from the ~10-15fps to where I am now. All I can remember changing this morning was uninstalling lib32 mesa and reinstalling nvidia and nvidia-utils a few times and tinkering with the xorg.conf.d configs, but i don't think I even saw the performance boost immediately after that so I'm not sure.

I'd prefer to get Steam running decently on Wheezy, and have spent most of the day working on that to no avail. I'm sure it's something I did wrong to cause the bad performance, but I wish I knew what.

Oh well, I'm happy I've got it working decently anywhere, so I'm happy to stay with Arch.

Thanks all!
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