CheekyChan Feb 20, 2013 @ 9:49pm
Steam dislikes AMD drivers.
Steam really hates AMD drivers. Where to begin? Let's try last night at about 2AM, I've used Ubuntu for years but never really got used to it even though I love it dearly and well my Ubuntu install on my main computer, the one I'm on now was 12.04 with the newest updates, etc. Well, I got Steam to work without a hitch using the default drivers then spent three hours installing TF2 and CSS and apparently the default AMD drivers with Ubuntu have really old OpenGL drivers and Steam refused to play the game. Simple I thought so I updated the drivers from default to the beta 13.1 and the post-production, both, no dice, Steam would crash giving a line 561 or some shit error in the steam.sh file, even ubuntu hated them and kept crashing Compiz until I switched back to the default drivers. SO, I updated Ubuntu to 12.10 and did the same, works on the default, but not the post-production or 13.1. SO THEN, I updated Ubuntu to 13.04 because I like that version much better than the 12 series, looks better, feels better and works smoother. WELL, none of the default drivers worked for Steam, though they didn't crash Compiz. I even purged the drivers then installed the 13.1 drivers from the AMD page like most people suggested here and guess what? Nothing, ♥♥♥♥ed everything up, I could barely even get into Ubuntu and had to uninstall the driver through the CTRL+ALT+F2 terminal because Compiz crashed and would not come back up. I heard this was just an issue with older Radeon HD cards, I highly doubt my card which is barely even a year old would be considered outdated? Also manufactured in 2011 through 2012 and still now.

My rig is as follows:
CPU: AMD FX4100 Black Edition 3.6GHz Stock (2 Physical Cores, 2 Logical Cores.)
RAM: 16GB DDR3 Corsair Vengeance
GPU: AMD Sapphire Radeon HD 6870 1GB GDDR5 1050MHz Core Clock Stock
PSU: 850W Thermaltake TR2
MOBO: ASUS M5A-V88-EVO

Ubuntu is one of my favorite OS's right next to Windows 7 and I was REALLY looking forward to benchmarking Ubuntu against Windows 7 and just judge the overall quality, etc. Plus Tux would have been a nice TF2 bonus.
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SUSEd Feb 20, 2013 @ 10:57pm 
Closed source AMD driver is really bad.
Whole Linux community hates it, not only Steam.
NA Feb 20, 2013 @ 11:08pm 
Your experience sounds very frustrating. Many with AMD graphics cards are having all sorts of trying issues. I think it will improve. But AMD truly needs to match nVidia's commitment to Linux support. I hope you will find a solution in the meantime. Keep hope.
gutigen o) Feb 20, 2013 @ 11:21pm 
It's not Steam hating AMD, it's AMD who doesn't give a ♥♥♥♥ about Linux, so their drivers suck . Blame manufacturer who can't release decent drivers, not Valve. The only sane solution for Linux gaming is Nvidia (Intel has great drivers, but their gpus are not for gaming).
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CheekyChan Feb 20, 2013 @ 11:23pm 
Originally posted by shished.tux.sus:
Closed source AMD driver is really bad.
Whole Linux community hates it, not only Steam.

Yeah, they really are, much like most Intel IGP's that don't support any kind of new version of OpenGL. Obviously I don't have an issue when running Windows 7 so this doesn't turn me off from AMD products, just wish they'd get their shit together though they have been pumping out beta releases liek crazy lately.

Originally posted by OverlordTomala:
Have you tried this at all?

http://steamcommunity.com/app/221410/discussions/4/864960353822274949/?tscn=1361421411

Gonna try that in a second if that 13.1 driver didn't ♥♥♥♥ up my Ubuntu install too bad.

Originally posted by NA:
Your experience sounds very frustrating. Many with AMD graphics cards are having all sorts of trying issues. I think it will improve. But AMD truly needs to match nVidia's commitment to Linux support. I hope you will find a solution in the meantime. Keep hope.

Yeah, it was pretty bad, I spent countless hours and stayed up all night because I hate leaving problems unfixed. Well, I think Steam on Linux will push AMD to support it better. I wish they had dedicated drivers for the most popular versions of Linux, especially Ubuntu. I love Ubuntu too much to lose hope. :b
CheekyChan Feb 20, 2013 @ 11:26pm 
Originally posted by gutigen o) Linux:
It's not Steam hating AMD, it's AMD who doesn't give a ♥♥♥♥ about Linux, so their drivers suck . Blame manufacturer who can't release decent drivers, not Valve. The only sane solution for Linux gaming is Nvidia (Intel has great drivers, but their gpus are not for gaming).

Whoa, man. My drivers on Windows are fine. Obviously the drivers on Linux are pretty bad and yeah I blame AMD for that, but it's also a Steam issue. Steam has to use one of the newest version of OpenGL to emulate DirectX, if i didn't have to use a new version of OpenGL I could have played just fine because Amnesia, Penumbra, Psychonauts, etc all played fine before Steam for Linux was even announced and they still do, just Source Engine games need DirectX emulation.
gutigen o) Feb 20, 2013 @ 11:31pm 
Originally posted by Plip Plapper:
Originally posted by gutigen o) Linux:
It's not Steam hating AMD, it's AMD who doesn't give a ♥♥♥♥ about Linux, so their drivers suck . Blame manufacturer who can't release decent drivers, not Valve. The only sane solution for Linux gaming is Nvidia (Intel has great drivers, but their gpus are not for gaming).

Whoa, man. My drivers on Windows are fine. Obviously the drivers on Linux are pretty bad and yeah I blame AMD for that, but it's also a Steam issue. Steam has to use one of the newest version of OpenGL to emulate DirectX, if i didn't have to use a new version of OpenGL I could have played just fine because Amnesia, Penumbra, Psychonauts, etc all played fine before Steam for Linux was even announced and they still do, just Source Engine games need DirectX emulation.

OpenGL 3.0 is hardly newest version, so I don't think that ditching 6 years old technology (Opengl 2.1 is from 2006) is bad thing, since OpenGL 3.0 has many performance and visual improvements (not to mention 4.x).
gradinaruvasile Feb 20, 2013 @ 11:41pm 
Just FYI, these issues happen only under hardware composited environments such as Ubuntu's Unity/Compiz.
I run Steam on Debian Wheezy (with preloaded Ubuntu libc, mind you) in Xfce 4.10 environment on an integrated 7560D (A8-5500 APU) and had 0 stability issues with 12.11,13.1 AMD drivers.
Never crashed or locked up and i played quite a few hours. You should try Xubuntu...
blackout24 Feb 21, 2013 @ 12:53am 
*kisses his NVIDIA card*
CheekyChan Feb 21, 2013 @ 12:57am 
Originally posted by gutigen o) Linux:
Originally posted by Plip Plapper:

Whoa, man. My drivers on Windows are fine. Obviously the drivers on Linux are pretty bad and yeah I blame AMD for that, but it's also a Steam issue. Steam has to use one of the newest version of OpenGL to emulate DirectX, if i didn't have to use a new version of OpenGL I could have played just fine because Amnesia, Penumbra, Psychonauts, etc all played fine before Steam for Linux was even announced and they still do, just Source Engine games need DirectX emulation.

OpenGL 3.0 is hardly newest version, so I don't think that ditching 6 years old technology (Opengl 2.1 is from 2006) is bad thing, since OpenGL 3.0 has many performance and visual improvements (not to mention 4.x).

True, very true and I want my games to play and look amazing but I shouldn't have to jump through hoops just to do so, which is another reason I blame AMD but also Steam just not nearly as much because I just want to play whatever.

Originally posted by laszlo.kertesz:
Just FYI, these issues happen only under hardware composited environments such as Ubuntu's Unity/Compiz.
I run Steam on Debian Wheezy (with preloaded Ubuntu libc, mind you) in Xfce 4.10 environment on an integrated 7560D (A8-5500 APU) and had 0 stability issues with 12.11,13.1 AMD drivers.
Never crashed or locked up and i played quite a few hours. You should try Xubuntu...

I never did like it when Ubuntu switched to Unity with Gnome...made everything really sluggish, it's the reason I stopped using it for such a long time, started getting back into it when I heard they were doing 13.04. They also have a 13.04 version of Xubuntu. I just feel kind of like I'd be betraying Ubuntu if I went with another build. :p But I do really like the looks of Xubuntu, it really does look amazing and I like the way they have the dock on the bottom instead of the side, more like OSX or RocketDock, which I find much easier to deal with than the sidebar...
CheekyChan Feb 21, 2013 @ 12:58am 
Originally posted by t.jp Linux:
*kisses his NVIDIA card*
I gave away my last Nvidia card to a friend, it was such a good card even for it's age, God bless 8800GTS.
CheekyChan Feb 21, 2013 @ 1:01am 
Oh yeah, just a heads up for me atleast it's a Linux Header issue, even though I have the newest one installed, Catalyst can't see it...I have absolutely no idea why, I think it searches for a path that doesn't exist then thinks it's not installed.
gutigen o) Feb 21, 2013 @ 1:04am 
Originally posted by Plip Plapper:
I never did like it when Ubuntu switched to Unity with Gnome...made everything really sluggish, it's the reason I stopped using it for such a long time, started getting back into it when I heard they were doing 13.04.

I'm using 13.04 now and aside from kernel 3.8 which seems to improve performance, Unity is now smooth as butter (on par with Gnome Shell 3.6), nvidia 310.32.
CheekyChan Feb 21, 2013 @ 1:07am 
Originally posted by gutigen o) Linux:
Originally posted by Plip Plapper:
I never did like it when Ubuntu switched to Unity with Gnome...made everything really sluggish, it's the reason I stopped using it for such a long time, started getting back into it when I heard they were doing 13.04.

I'm using 13.04 now and aside from kernel 3.8 which seems to improve performance, Unity is now smooth as butter (on par with Gnome Shell 3.6), nvidia 310.32.

Yeah, now it is, it's the main reason I wanted to update to 13.04 was because of performance. But somehow the update process got ♥♥♥♥ed up, so I can either re install Ubuntu and lose what little I have on there that isn't worth backing up or I'm ♥♥♥♥ed. GUESS I'll download the 13.04 iso and burn it to a DVD. Hopefully that fixes the kernel issue.
gutigen o) Feb 21, 2013 @ 2:00am 
Originally posted by Plip Plapper:
Yeah, now it is, it's the main reason I wanted to update to 13.04 was because of performance. But somehow the update process got ♥♥♥♥ed up, so I can either re install Ubuntu and lose what little I have on there that isn't worth backing up or I'm ♥♥♥♥ed. GUESS I'll download the 13.04 iso and burn it to a DVD. Hopefully that fixes the kernel issue.

Well it's not even beta yet, it's alpha so no wonder that something doesn't work :)
And tbh, while Ubuntu upgrade seems to improve in last releases, it's always better to make fresh installs (and keep /home on separate partition).
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