Lucky Cinnamon Feb 16, 2013 @ 2:08am
To All Of You Dedicated Linux Users
First off, let me state that I am extremely jealous of how easily you manage to make this run. I decided to give it a go after the Steam Beta ended, and I have had to learn more about programming and computing in a day and a half than I'd learned in my entire life. Partitioning hard rives, getting Terminal to work and having to manually update everything from drivers to the OS itself, dealing with faulty file architecture... I honestly don't know how you do it. Another thing I can't understand is how you manage to deal with newbies like me coming in by the hundreds, asking all of these questions that are old hat to you without sounding condescending.

So, from someone who is very eager to start their Linux experience after all of this, in spite of the problems, thank you. Both for testing it, and dealing with people like myself who probably shouldn't be messing around with internal files without supervision. You're more patient than we deserve, and far more knowledgeable than seems possible.

...And if this gets locked due to being irrelevant, sorry for wasting everyone's time.
Last edited by Lucky Cinnamon; Feb 16, 2013 @ 2:37am
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HumbleLinux Feb 16, 2013 @ 3:18am 
Welcome to the world of Free Software (free as in freedom, not as in free beer). Now, apart from the technical side, I recommend also looking on the side that makes it all tick. I'm talking about the Free Software philosophy which makes Linux and other Free Software exist. https://gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html Try to understand the deep point of it. Cheers :)
gutigen o) Feb 16, 2013 @ 3:18am 
Linux community is one of it's kind!

As for playing with files and terminal, those problems happen in Windows too, difference is that in Windows you can't do ♥♥♥♥ about it, you just have to wait for devs to fix the issue. In Linux you can do it yourself :)

EDIT:

Originally posted by HumbleLinux:
Welcome to the world of Free Software (free as in freedom, not as in free beer). Now, apart from the technical side, I recommend also looking on the side that makes it all tick. I'm talking about the Free Software philosophy which makes Linux and other Free Software exist. https://gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html Try to understand the deep point of it. Cheers :)

Oh for crying out loud, don't bring this socialist ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ here please. We don't live in same world as Stallman and his followers (called Utopia).

Open Source - yes.
Free "Stallman's" Software - no.
HumbleLinux Feb 16, 2013 @ 3:39am 
Have a read on this article and make your own opinion
https://gnu.org/philosophy/why-free.html
https://gnu.org/philosophy/open-source-misses-the-point.html
Btw If it wasn't for this man's technical and legal achievements, Linux would not exist as it is today.
And If he didn't create the GNU GPL license I doubt we would have any Free (or Open Source) Software today.


Anyways, it doesnt matter "Who" it matters "What".
Actions speak louder than words.
Originally posted by gutigen o) Linux:

Oh for crying out loud, don't bring this socialist ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ here please. We don't live in same world as Stallman and his followers (called Utopia).

Open Source - yes.
Free "Stallman's" Software - no.
Evidently this guy has no clue abotu what he is talking about, it's always better to research facts before letting yourself influenced by a biased shout's spouting hate.
Lucky Cinnamon Feb 16, 2013 @ 3:42am 
...I just wanted to say thank you to all of the nice people here, not start a philosophical discussion. That really escalated quickly.
gutigen o) Feb 16, 2013 @ 3:47am 
Originally posted by HumbleLinux:
Originally posted by gutigen o) Linux:

Oh for crying out loud, don't bring this socialist ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ here please. We don't live in same world as Stallman and his followers (called Utopia).

Open Source - yes.
Free "Stallman's" Software - no.
Evidently this guy has no clue abotu what he is talking about, it's always better to research facts before letting yourself influenced by a biased shout's spouting hate.

No, actually I do. Stallman wants to take away my freedom to use properietary software and make us all live in Free Software, socialist commune :)

In his enlighted vision proprietary software is unethical... What has one to do with another?
Does he pay for his food or just expects someone to share some with him? Or gas to his car (if he has one, kinda hard to find free car made with free parts for free lol)? Or toilet paper? Is paying for toilet paper unethical? Perhaps I should start using tree leaves...

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Originally posted by Lucky Cinnamon:
...I just wanted to say thank you to all of the nice people here, not start a philosophical discussion. That really escalated quickly.

He started, don't blame me! :P
marecki Feb 16, 2013 @ 4:22am 
Hi
Sorry about your bad first experience. I never had such problems. Maybe it's just matter of hardware.
Good luck!
Plasma Feb 16, 2013 @ 4:46am 
Originally posted by Lucky Cinnamon:
First off, let me state that I am extremely jealous of how easily you manage to make this run. I decided to give it a go after the Steam Beta ended, and I have had to learn more about programming and computing in a day and a half than I'd learned in my entire life. Partitioning hard rives, getting Terminal to work and having to manually update everything from drivers to the OS itself, dealing with faulty file architecture... I honestly don't know how you do it. Another thing I can't understand is how you manage to deal with newbies like me coming in by the hundreds, asking all of these questions that are old hat to you without sounding condescending.

So, from someone who is very eager to start their Linux experience after all of this, in spite of the problems, thank you. Both for testing it, and dealing with people like myself who probably shouldn't be messing around with internal files without supervision. You're more patient than we deserve, and far more knowledgeable than seems possible.

...And if this gets locked due to being irrelevant, sorry for wasting everyone's time.

Thank'you for your words, I really appreciate your post! :-)
DeadWire Feb 16, 2013 @ 5:14am 
Hmm.....isn't steam an odd place to be arguing the virtues of Free/Libre software vs Open Source Vs Closed and locked down?......that said Stallman dosn't care if you PAY (after all he made a living selling emacs) for software, he says it has to let you have the scource code and modify and distribute it.....as for socialism and/or Communism even RMS never said you HAD to share your privet moddified software with anyone so its neither of these things. I myself am a Libertarian, as far from a Socialist as one can be (nearly) and I see the value in the GPL and Copyleft......all of this said I do not belive GAMES can, baring a few exeptions be either Open or "Free/libre" and be monitized at the same time, DRM however is another issue and I do give more love to GOG than steam for that reason (forgive my soso english)
DeadWire Feb 16, 2013 @ 5:19am 
In his enlighted vision proprietary software is unethical... What has one to do with another?
Does he pay for his food or just expects someone to share some with him? Or gas to his car (if he has one, kinda hard to find free car made with free parts for free lol)? Or toilet paper? Is paying for toilet paper unethical? Perhaps I should start using tree leaves...

....this just shows the problem you have with the word "Free" in English since it means both as in Freedom and No charge.....no wonder most people think the Free in Linux is only about its cost.....then again who am I to talk about other peoples languages (sigh)
notyourbuddy Feb 16, 2013 @ 5:20am 
Pretty sure Linux kicks everyone's -ss at the beginning. But, once you get used to it it is quite an elegant OS, very flexible, and fun to customize.
gutigen o) Feb 16, 2013 @ 5:20am 
Originally posted by Mosiah13442:
Hmm.....isn't steam an odd place to be arguing the virtues of Free/Libre software vs Open Source Vs Closed and locked down?......that said Stallman dosn't care if you PAY (after all he made a living selling emacs) for software, he says it has to let you have the scource code and modify and distribute it.....as for socialism and/or Communism even RMS never said you HAD to share your privet moddified software with anyone so its neither of these things. I myself am a Libertarian, as far from a Socialist as one can be (nearly) and I see the value in the GPL and Copyleft......all of this said I do not belive GAMES can, baring a few exeptions be either Open or "Free/libre" and be monitized at the same time, DRM however is another issue and I do give more love to GOG than steam for that reason (forgive my soso english)

I'm not sure what Stallmans followers are doing here, at Steam for Linux:
http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/nonfree-games.html
torben_harms Feb 16, 2013 @ 5:28am 
Originally posted by Lucky Cinnamon:
First off, let me state that I am extremely jealous of how easily you manage to make this run. I decided to give it a go after the Steam Beta ended, and I have had to learn more about programming and computing in a day and a half than I'd learned in my entire life. Partitioning hard rives, getting Terminal to work and having to manually update everything from drivers to the OS itself, dealing with faulty file architecture... I honestly don't know how you do it. Another thing I can't understand is how you manage to deal with newbies like me coming in by the hundreds, asking all of these questions that are old hat to you without sounding condescending.

So, from someone who is very eager to start their Linux experience after all of this, in spite of the problems, thank you. Both for testing it, and dealing with people like myself who probably shouldn't be messing around with internal files without supervision. You're more patient than we deserve, and far more knowledgeable than seems possible.

...And if this gets locked due to being irrelevant, sorry for wasting everyone's time.

:-D Your always welcome.
AzureStratus Feb 16, 2013 @ 5:38am 
I sure hope new users being greeted by RMS followers/worshippers will be rare. I have nothing more to say on that.

I'm still not sure if the first post was being sarcastic or not,, but regardless, it bothers me when people complain about/thank for all the learning they have to do when trying Linux. It's a different OS, so you're gonna have to learn stuff, it's not Windows and it's not trying to be.

If anything, to a new computer user I'd say Ubuntu is a better and safer choice. Hell, if people were less lazy and more open minded, Ubuntu would be far, far more popular as many people just use their computers for some basic applications and web browsing.
rudeboyskunk Feb 16, 2013 @ 6:36am 
Originally posted by Lucky Cinnamon:
First off, let me state that I am extremely jealous of how easily you manage to make this run. I decided to give it a go after the Steam Beta ended, and I have had to learn more about programming and computing in a day and a half than I'd learned in my entire life. Partitioning hard rives, getting Terminal to work and having to manually update everything from drivers to the OS itself, dealing with faulty file architecture... I honestly don't know how you do it. Another thing I can't understand is how you manage to deal with newbies like me coming in by the hundreds, asking all of these questions that are old hat to you without sounding condescending.

So, from someone who is very eager to start their Linux experience after all of this, in spite of the problems, thank you. Both for testing it, and dealing with people like myself who probably shouldn't be messing around with internal files without supervision. You're more patient than we deserve, and far more knowledgeable than seems possible.

...And if this gets locked due to being irrelevant, sorry for wasting everyone's time.

I'm just happy that you have a positive attitude about the whole thing; plenty of people have a few problems and walk away thinking that "Linux will never make it because it doesn't [insert thing that Windows does]."

The approach you have to take is knowing that the philosophy behind Linux is DIY (do it yourself) and learning. Windows is a product made by a corporation. For some people that's great. They just want to give their money and receive something that works straight out of the box (and it does most of the time; I have a Win7 partition because iTunes and MS Office are vital to my life). If there's a problem, they know that since they paid money, they will receive "customer service support" from Microsoft. Linux, however, is not a product, but rather a project. It's created by the community, for the community, and as members of the community, we live under two principles - self-responsibility (I have to learn how to do this without somebody holding my hand the whole way) and communal assistance (when I have a problem, I ask for help and somebody with the correct knowledge will help me out without expecting anything in return other than a "thank you").

So, long story short, enjoy using Linux. If you have any problems, the best place to go is the Ubuntu forums: www.ubuntuforums.org
lispyfoal Feb 16, 2013 @ 6:44am 
Sorry for contributing to the derailing of this thread - I've seen way too much anti-GPL FUD lately.
Originally posted by gutigen o) Linux:
Open Source - yes.
Free "Stallman's" Software - no.

I'm not sure why you're using Linux then instead of one of the open-source-licensed BSDs. Is it maybe because they suck so bad? Because corporations (eg Apple) don't contribute any code back or even behave socially acceptable if they're not forced to because it contradicts their ability to make money? While RMS is fanatical, quite often involuntarily funny and incredibly easy to ridicule, he is still right. Unfortunately we don't live in a world where there is no monetary incentive to behaving antisocially and anticompetitively. This is why we have seen such a massive wave of innovation with Linux and not with the BSDs. This is what the GPL is about. Please don't reduce free software to the neckbearded face of RMS.
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