Admiral Ufolog Jan 24, 2013 @ 7:13pm
Steam for GNU/Linux: common package and ideas about games compatibility.
There is no Steam for Linux - just Steam for Ubuntu (also ubuntu is not good choice as base platform because this distribution is not quite linux and ubuntu developers tryes to place ubuntu far from linux ecosystem). Ok, this is beta version of Steam. But i think it would be better to make tar.gz package for any distribution that will comsist all required libraries for Steam. The good example of common package is Desura. It is enough to download and run to use this platform. So why not? Of course there is a problem with technical support. But this problem is not big because Valve can make official support only for number of distributions and this package also can be maximum compatible with every universal distribution (Debian, Fedora, Mandriva, OpenSuSE, Ubuntu, etc.).

The games compatibility problem: i think Native Linux Steam can support wine as transport to run windows games by principle "No warranty but you can try". This way is very good to play games that has been bought early.Its just idea. Need to think about anticheat for this case.

P.S.
Sorry for my bad english
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kentpower Jan 24, 2013 @ 7:39pm 
This has been said hundreds of time before but why dont they just use loki's old ".run" executable it practly works on every distro as far as i know
r3pek | ArchLinux Jan 25, 2013 @ 3:42am 
Also running games under wine defeats all the effort Valse is putting into Steam for Linux. If it was just to "emulate" games why would one need Valve 4 Linux?!
If you want a big push on linux gaming, you *need* *native* linux games... not emulated crap.
Admiral Ufolog Jan 25, 2013 @ 5:02am 
In fact Valve cant make Linux support for big number great games like VTM: Bloodlines.
rudeboyskunk Jan 25, 2013 @ 5:47am 
Admiral Ufolg, reading your post just gives me a big facepalm.

1) It's not "just Steam for Ubuntu." Valve has said over and over that they're working on bringing it to as many distros as they can. You can already install it on rpm-based distros. From the looks of it, Valve is going to let the community take care of a lot of stuff (which I find preferable and more in line with FOSS philosophy).

2) "ubuntu is not quite linux." WRONG. Ubuntu uses the linux kernel, so it is "linux." It also uses GNU utilities, so it's also "GNU/Linux." Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it isn't what it claims to be. I don't like country X very much, but I still believe it's a country.

3) If you want to drive new linux users away from linux/Steam for Linux, then sure, use a tar.gz. I remember when I first started using Linux (2003), I nearly ripped my hair out trying to figure out tar.gz files. Making a simple .deb and .rpm works MUCH better. Like I mentioned before, involving the community in this would make their workload much lighter and be more in line with FOSS philosophy.

4) I swear if I see one more "integrate wine with Steam for Linux" post I'm going to assassinate somebody in North Korea. a) there are a thousand threads on this topic alone, b) it's a terrible idea and very difficult to implement and c) it'll discourage game developers from making native versions of their games for Linux.
Admiral Ufolog Jan 25, 2013 @ 6:33am 
Ok. Where is official Valve's answer about distributions support? And why tar.gz archive of Steam is bad? Steam is repository and its ok if this software will be distributed in tar.gz archive brcause Steam has own filesystem for games. About ubuntu: i can tell why ubuntu is not quite linux. There is a lot reasons.
instabilis Jan 25, 2013 @ 7:00am 
Try reading this topic Some brief answers to common questions

I don't see why Valve wouldn't provide a tar.gz at some point (as well as the Ubuntu .deb package of course) but there is no rush for them to do so, the Steam client is still in beta, so this would be something more likely to happen after the beta has ended.

As for Ubuntu, it is a GNU/Linux distribution whether you like it or not.
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ToTeX_Baked Jan 25, 2013 @ 7:09am 
Originally posted by Admiral Ufolog:
Ok. Where is official Valve's answer about distributions support? And why tar.gz archive of Steam is bad? Steam is repository and its ok if this software will be distributed in tar.gz archive brcause Steam has own filesystem for games. About ubuntu: i can tell why ubuntu is not quite linux. There is a lot reasons.

Can't agree more with you :). im sure there will be either tar.gz archive or .run installation file in future! and yes. ubuntu is far away from the linux eco system, but its better than nothing. as until be will see an universal installer of steam, we can just extract the deb file and place the files by ourselfs.
rudeboyskunk Jan 25, 2013 @ 7:19am 
ugh, "linux" means you have the linux kernel in your OS. I could make a new distro tomorrow called Banana Linux that would be linux because it uses the linux kernel. North Korea uses their own distro of Linux and it's still linux because it uses the linux kernel, even though they use it to run computers that are letting them be efficient ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥s.
blackout24 Jan 25, 2013 @ 7:20am 
Originally posted by Admiral Ufolog:
Ok. Where is official Valve's answer about distributions support? And why tar.gz archive of Steam is bad? Steam is repository and its ok if this software will be distributed in tar.gz archive brcause Steam has own filesystem for games. About ubuntu: i can tell why ubuntu is not quite linux. There is a lot reasons.

http://steamcommunity.com/app/221410/discussions/0/846939854324291029/ There.
ToTeX_Baked Jan 25, 2013 @ 7:21am 
Originally posted by rudeboyskunk Linux:
ugh, "linux" means you have the linux kernel in your OS. I could make a new distro tomorrow called Banana Linux that would be linux because it uses the linux kernel. North Korea uses their own distro of Linux and it's still linux because it uses the linux kernel, even though they use it to run computers that are letting them be efficient ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥s.

yes. it will be linux. but not in the heart of open source, and so on :)

ubuntu want money. that is fair enough. but that is not what linux is about. also alot other reasons which i dont want to mention here.
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instabilis Jan 25, 2013 @ 7:29am 
Originally posted by ToTeX_Baked:
yes. it will be linux. but not in the heart of open source, and so on :)

ubuntu want money. that is fair enough. but that is not what linux is about. also alot other reasons which i dont want to mention here.

Wrong. Linux is just a kernel, it's not about anything.
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ToTeX_Baked Jan 25, 2013 @ 7:53am 
Originally posted by instabilis:
Originally posted by ToTeX_Baked:
yes. it will be linux. but not in the heart of open source, and so on :)

ubuntu want money. that is fair enough. but that is not what linux is about. also alot other reasons which i dont want to mention here.

Wrong. Linux is just a kernel, it's not about anything.

and there you are wrong. linux is not just a kernel. its about open source and freedom on your system. :P
instabilis Jan 25, 2013 @ 7:58am 
Originally posted by ToTeX_Baked:
Originally posted by instabilis:
Originally posted by ToTeX_Baked:
yes. it will be linux. but not in the heart of open source, and so on :)

ubuntu want money. that is fair enough. but that is not what linux is about. also alot other reasons which i dont want to mention here.

Wrong. Linux is just a kernel, it's not about anything.

and there you are wrong. linux is not just a kernel. its about open source and freedom on your system. :P
No, that's what the free software movement[en.wikipedia.org] is about... -.-

Don't mix the two or you'll wake up to Stallman[en.wikipedia.org] standing over you.
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Admiral Ufolog Jan 25, 2013 @ 9:17am 
Thanks for answers. Now i will tell some about this topic.
1. Linux. The OS is a GNU/Linux. Also OS is the distribution. Linux is kernel - this is correct. But this is official name. Unofficially Linux means kind of OS with this features: high reliability, outstanding flexibility, Linux Kernel with GNU userland, mostly free software (free not as beer. In modern terms - libre) with wide range of choice, open system without secrets from user, etc. For example in this term Android is not Linux.
2. WINE. There is some good games at Steam but by some reasons neither Valve nor original developer will not port game to GNU/Linux. The good example is Vampire The Masquerade: Bloodlines. This game based on early version of Source Engine (Half-Life 2 based on later version at release time). Also developer (Troika Games) is not exist now. By described above reasons nobody can make Linux port. Thus the only way to play this game under GNU/Linux is WINE. I hope ever Steam user understand this thought.
instabilis Jan 25, 2013 @ 9:49am 
If you want 'Vampire The Masquerade: Bloodlines' to run natively you could always try to port it yourself :)
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