Mr. Rich+Brady's Jan 3, 2013 @ 5:20pm
Share resources with NTFS
I cringe at this suggestion, however with most people slowly transitioning over from Windows on the same machine could there be an option to include your locally installed Windows Steam folder? Especially if you have sprung for a SSD, games are getting huge, and not needing them installed twice would be a large benefit.

The performance hit with NTFS-3g might make some games unplayable depending on the system, but I think the bigger issue would be on Valve's side ensuring that two OS's writing to the same files play nice with each other.

Any additional thoughts on the topic, or start a discussion to try to get attention to this suggestion?
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gutigen o) Jan 3, 2013 @ 9:19pm 
Well, that's not very good idea.

1) NTSF file fragmentation and overall lower performance in comparison to ext4 or other linux filesystems
2) and most important, different game builds in same folders - may be not easy to do and up to specific game developers, not Valve

Ergo, too much trouble for one, not so needed feature.
ribeiro.breno Jan 3, 2013 @ 10:23pm 
I do agree with gutigen on the performance and that this work would go to the developers. But i think something like this would be awesome as most games use lots of assets that are OS independent (images, audio, video, saves, ...).

It would save us a lot of bandwidth, time and disk space when installing a game that we already have installed for another OS on the same machine.

I even think it would be awesome if steam just copied some of the files from the other install to their steamapps and didn't save the disk space.

(i guess some save files can go to steamcloud already?)
gutigen o) Jan 4, 2013 @ 2:08am 
Originally posted by ribeiro.breno@linux:~# _:
I do agree with gutigen on the performance and that this work would go to the developers. But i think something like this would be awesome as most games use lots of assets that are OS independent (images, audio, video, saves, ...).

It would save us a lot of bandwidth, time and disk space when installing a game that we already have installed for another OS on the same machine.

I even think it would be awesome if steam just copied some of the files from the other install to their steamapps and didn't save the disk space.

(i guess some save files can go to steamcloud already?)

Well, it would be still up to devs mostly, not Valve :)
However, why use Windows? Delete that abomination!
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Kano Jan 4, 2013 @ 3:40am 
I use ntfs for the Steam folder that works but on a different dir than the normal Steam dir in the Win install on the same hd. When games like Serious Sam 3 or Killing Floor are in the common dir you can even symlink em to have em only installed once. Ntfs has symlink support - if you want to create em while on win use
mklink /d targetdir sourcedir
Note that is swaped compared to "ln -s sourcedir targetdir"!
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ribeiro.breno Jan 4, 2013 @ 7:58am 
Originally posted by Linux gutigen o):
However, why use Windows? Delete that abomination!
My wish! :)
But i need the ugly boy for work...

Originally posted by Kano:
I use ntfs for the Steam folder that works but on a different dir than the normal Steam dir in the Win install on the same hd. When games like Serious Sam 3 or Killing Floor are in the common dir you can even symlink em to have em only installed once. Ntfs has symlink support - if you want to create em while on win use
mklink /d targetdir sourcedir
Note that is swaped compared to "ln -s sourcedir targetdir"!
It can work... but having steam do that for you wouldn't be better? :)
Invunche@linux:~$ Jan 4, 2013 @ 8:11am 
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gutigen o) Jan 4, 2013 @ 9:52am 
Originally posted by Invunche@linux:~$:
take a look at this https://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/Steam_under_Linux#Save_space_on_dual-boot_machines

It works for the native version too.

I wouldn't recommend it for native Steam tbh. When you are using WINE you got same game files under both systems, in native linux not. Saving some space when we got 1TB drivers for cost of possible problems with both installations, I don't see the point.
Mr. Rich+Brady's Jan 4, 2013 @ 12:06pm 
People are moving away from 1TB drives with the advent of SSDs. I cannot install TF2 any more because it has climbed radically past it's original size. I know it is ironic to have a SSD for performance and then use NTFS, but I really cannot justify having games installed twice on my machine.
gutigen o) Jan 4, 2013 @ 1:49pm 
Originally posted by Rich +Steak!:
People are moving away from 1TB drives with the advent of SSDs. I cannot install TF2 any more because it has climbed radically past it's original size. I know it is ironic to have a SSD for performance and then use NTFS, but I really cannot justify having games installed twice on my machine.

Just remove Windows completly, with Steambox coming we will have all major devs making games for Linux soon :)
DarkStarSword Jan 4, 2013 @ 3:27pm 
Originally posted by Invunche@linux:~$:
take a look at this https://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/Steam_under_Linux#Save_space_on_dual-boot_machines

It works for the native version too.

DON'T DO THAT FOR THE NATIVE CLIENT!!!

Not unless you want Steam to delete/corrupt your windows games (including Windows only titles such as Borderlands 2). I did that, then had to spend a great deal of time restoring from backups.

If you want to save space, I would suggest symlinking only the identical files with rdfind, though you might run into issues when the game is updated on either/both OSs.
gutigen o) Jan 4, 2013 @ 8:22pm 
How to save a lot of space on your hard drive:

1. Run Ubuntu from your LiveCD/LiveUSB
2. Open Gparted
3. Delete Windows partition
4. ????
5. Profit

:)
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