[Linux] Junior s2 Camila Dec 19, 2013 @ 12:05pm
Best Linux hardware?
It's not new that I have annoying problems with my current hardware, specially when the frame rates drop from 150 to 10.

I want to know from you which hardware you have, specific. And, if possible, tell your experiences if you had the same hardware as mine:

* AMD Athlon II X2 250 @ 3.76GHz

* 4GB DDR3 Corsair Vengeance @ 1606Mhz

* MSI 9800GT 512MB

*ASRock N69 VS3 UCC:

- Cool and Quiet disabled
- NBUS clock from 1600 to 2400MHz
- NBUS voltage from 1.25 to 1.4V
- Memory voltage from 1.5 to 1.69V
Last edited by [Linux] Junior s2 Camila; Dec 19, 2013 @ 12:06pm
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Rogue Dec 19, 2013 @ 12:27pm 
Not sure what the best hardware is but this is what I use:

+ Intel Sandy Bridge i7 2600 3.4Ghz Quad-Core CPU w/ hyperthreading
+ MSI P67A-GD65 motherboard
+ G.Skill Ripjaws DDR3 RAM 4 x 4GB @ 1333Mhz
+ Nvidia GeForce GTX 580 (PNY enthusiast edition)
+ 64 bit OS

My experiences:

I started using GNU/Linux with Ubuntu 12.04 LTS, I have also tried Linux Mint (w/ Cinnamon) and am currently using Ubuntu 13.10. Today I will be testing out Debian and Linux Lite,

Native Linux games I have been playing:
Surgeon Simulator 2013
Shadowrun Returns
Hotline Miami
Dota 2

Ubuntu 12.04 LTS had no issues that I can recall. It ran well, I wasn't sure if I liked Unity or not but I did like how Dota 2 MM ready notifications appeared on my desktop if I had the client minimized. Ubuntu 13.10 was a bit faster overall although it had more bugs in Dota 2, for example items not showing up at the end of games (can see them being rewarded but not after). Hotline Miami did not have any sound, but after verifying the game cache worked fine. Surgeon Simulator seems to lag a bit more than on Windows 7 also the screen tearing is horrible and I don't remember it being so bad on Windows..

In Dota 2 I usually get 120 FPS, which was the same as in Windows 7. Sometimes it will slow down to 100 or even 60-80 but restarting the client usually fixes that. Also sound breaks after long play sessions and also requires a restart of the client. (Like the sound literally stops working except for a few really out of sync noises here and there).

Another positive note is that my HDD ( sadly no SSD yet, but soon!) is a lot quiter in Linux compared to Windows.
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[Linux] Junior s2 Camila Dec 19, 2013 @ 12:34pm 
If I may suggest, you could try Arch Linux and see if you like :) Personally I'm probably not going back to any other distro.

Do you have any experience with Team Fortress 2 and/or Left 4 Dead 2? These are the only buggy games I could find on Steam.

I know the problem does not rely on my hardware (Steam is the problem), but I'm willing to upgrade in the next 2 months.
I'll have from $ 2,000.00 to $ 3,500.00 to upgrade. I prefer AMD processors and video cards.
Rogue Dec 19, 2013 @ 12:36pm 
I don't have L4D2 but I could download TF2 and see how it runs.
[Linux] Junior s2 Camila Dec 19, 2013 @ 12:52pm 
Originally posted by Rogue:
I don't have L4D2 but I could download TF2 and see how it runs.
I'd appreciate. Run with every setting on Maximum for a few hours and see if the frame rates drop or not :)

But I think it's best if you download L4D2, it's less GB's and it always drops the frame rates from 150 to 10, but it has to be played on the first level (Hotels).
Last edited by [Linux] Junior s2 Camila; Dec 19, 2013 @ 12:53pm
-FwG- ^ Bucky21659 Dec 19, 2013 @ 1:16pm 
CPU: Intel Core 2 Duo 6400 2.13GHz Dual Core
RAM: 3GB
OS: Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 64-bit/Ubuntu 12.04 x86/Mac OS X Snow Leopard 10.3.8/Windows XP Home Edition SP3 32-bit
Video/Graphics Card: ATi Radeon HD 6670, DirectX 11, 1GB dedicated memory and 1.3GB shared.
Monitor: 23" 1680x1050 DVI Dell E228WFP
Hard Drive: 1TB Western Digital 7200RPM SATA hard disk, 80GB Hitachi 5600RPM SATA hard disk

I mainly play Source games, GoldSrc games run as well as Windows and Source games run even better with Windows (have to make sure AA is off). But sometimes in places with heavy reflectivity (like in the mod Portal Pro) I just get slow motion lag.
Apocryphus Dec 19, 2013 @ 1:41pm 
I run most of the games I used to play under Windows now under Linux. Using Nvidia OPTIMUS I more or less got the same (if not better) performance as on Windows. Although Nvidia OPTIMUS has limited support from Nvidia, the discrete GPU still runs very well regardless.
Rogue Dec 19, 2013 @ 2:10pm 
Originally posted by Arch Linux - Junior s2 Camila:
Originally posted by Rogue:
I don't have L4D2 but I could download TF2 and see how it runs.
I'd appreciate. Run with every setting on Maximum for a few hours and see if the frame rates drop or not :)

But I think it's best if you download L4D2, it's less GB's and it always drops the frame rates from 150 to 10, but it has to be played on the first level (Hotels).

Seems like on average I get about 100-120 FPS. It drops when there is big open areas and lots of players on the screen at the same time to as low as about 80. The first map I played I didn't notice any FPS drops at all, but that map also had tigher areas / smaller spaces. I noticed some places were as high as 200 FPS.
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[Linux] Junior s2 Camila Dec 19, 2013 @ 2:40pm 
Originally posted by Rogue:
Originally posted by Arch Linux - Junior s2 Camila:
I'd appreciate. Run with every setting on Maximum for a few hours and see if the frame rates drop or not :)

But I think it's best if you download L4D2, it's less GB's and it always drops the frame rates from 150 to 10, but it has to be played on the first level (Hotels).

Seems like on average I get about 100-120 FPS. It drops when there is big open areas and lots of players on the screen at the same time to as low as about 80. The first map I played I didn't noticed any FPS drops at all, but that map also had tigher areas / smaller spaces. I noticed some places were as high as 200 FPS.
But dropping to 80 is not a problem. Hell if it ran constantly on 60-75 I'd have no prob with it. But it drops to 10 and stays there, only a reboot "solves" the problem.

Originally posted by RAVEN MCCCXXXVII:
I run most of the games I used to play under Windows now under Linux. Using Nvidia OPTIMUS I more or less got the same (if not better) performance as on Windows. Although Nvidia OPTIMUS has limited support from Nvidia, the discrete GPU still runs very well regardless.
Which card?
Oerthling Dec 19, 2013 @ 5:11pm 
Asus G75 (VW) - it's a gaming laptop with an NVidia 660M (2 GB). My model has 8 GB of RAM and came with a 750 GB HDD. There was an unused second drive slot - I put a 50 GB SSD in there - with the boot partition.
All Ubuntu - no Windows dual boot crap.

It's superquiet and doesn't get hot - unlike every other Laptop I ever had. It's fairly big though (17.3" Desktop replacement - matte screen!!! Hurray - glossy screens are annoying)

Ubuntu 13.10 (64bit).

Everything works. There were some issues with the Fn keys at first - but a later Kernel update fixed that long ago. There is a regression that came with 13.10 - after StandBy and reactivate the wifi no longer works (have to reboot). Used to work fine with 13.04.

I have 0 troubles with Steam and Linux Games. Also played a lot of Path of Exile via wine recently.

I'm very happy with this thing.
[Linux] Junior s2 Camila Dec 19, 2013 @ 5:19pm 
Originally posted by Oerthling:
Asus G75
Looks like a good piece, but it's too expensive in my country. I'll contact the seller to see if they ship to other countries.
SamCoupe Dec 20, 2013 @ 4:59am 
Originally posted by Arch Linux - Junior s2 Camila:
I prefer AMD processors and video cards.
I find this sad to say but it's very hard to justify an AMD desktop system these days especially if gaming is the main reason for upgrading. Where I live an FX8350 costs exactly the same as an i5 3570 but at least for games is no where near as fast. Add to that the lack of choice in motherboards for AM3+ and the fact that there are no new FX CPUs due in 2014 it really does look like the end of high end AMD processors ;(

Of course if you've got another use for all those extra integer threads the AMD cpus can muster or you want ECC ram on the cheap (IIRC all AMD Asus mobo support it) then it's not like the FX cpus are exactly bad for gaming... you just have to get your value from their other virtues.

If I wanted a cheap laptop with usable 3D support I wouldn't hesitate to get an APU, in fact that's what I'm using to type this but I don't see an APU makes much sense on a desktop gaming machine. I must also point out that I've yet to get the newer catalyst drivers to work on my e450... they install and "work" OK it's just the screen brightness controls only give me a choice of either min or max which forced me back to the open drivers. I'll grant this is probably my distro's fault and trying Arch is on my todo list.

Just for reference the desktop I'm currently using an i7 860 with a GF660 on the-distro-that-shall-not-be-named (13.10) and it's a pretty nice system. DOTA, L4D2 and Metro LL run very nicely with max detail settings. I don't have any frame rates for you but gameplay is 100% fluid with no slowdowns at all. NB I'm only gaming at 1440x900 ATM but I suspect it would still be fine at 1080p.

EDIT: Just a thought on your frame rate drop problem but have you tried removing your overclock? It sounds awfully like some kind of thermal throttling cutting in and not going away again.
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[Linux] Junior s2 Camila Dec 20, 2013 @ 8:06am 
Originally posted by SamCoupe:
Originally posted by Arch Linux - Junior s2 Camila:
I prefer AMD processors and video cards.
I find this sad to say but it's very hard to justify an AMD desktop system these days especially if gaming is the main reason for upgrading. Where I live an FX8350 costs exactly the same as an i5 3570 but at least for games is no where near as fast. Add to that the lack of choice in motherboards for AM3+ and the fact that there are no new FX CPUs due in 2014 it really does look like the end of high end AMD processors ;(
Here the AMD costs lower. And there's really not much difference between those two, but I can do really good OC's with AMD processors and get the same performance but with lower price.

Originally posted by SamCoupe:
If I wanted a cheap laptop with usable 3D support I wouldn't hesitate to get an APU, in fact that's what I'm using to type this but I don't see an APU makes much sense on a desktop gaming machine. I must also point out that I've yet to get the newer catalyst drivers to work on my e450... they install and "work" OK it's just the screen brightness controls only give me a choice of either min or max which forced me back to the open drivers. I'll grant this is probably my distro's fault and trying Arch is on my todo list.
I don't know why but I'm not a laptop person :P
And good to know you're willing to try Arch.

Originally posted by SamCoupe:
Just for reference the desktop I'm currently using an i7 860 with a GF660 on the-distro-that-shall-not-be-named (13.10) and it's a pretty nice system. DOTA, L4D2 and Metro LL run very nicely with max detail settings. I don't have any frame rates for you but gameplay is 100% fluid with no slowdowns at all. NB I'm only gaming at 1440x900 ATM but I suspect it would still be fine at 1080p.
I've hear most good things about i7's but I'm still sticking with AMD, unless I find a cheaper one with the same/better performance as the AMD's I can buy. Or I'll buy online, but most sellers don't ship to Brazil.

Originally posted by SamCoupe:
EDIT: Just a thought on your frame rate drop problem but have you tried removing your overclock? It sounds awfully like some kind of thermal throttling cutting in and not going away again.
I tried everything. My CPU is cool, overclock or no OC doesn't matter, the driver version helps a little.

I'm guessing it's either some option at my MOBO or some tweak on nvidia's part.
Kranky K. Krackpot Sr. Dec 20, 2013 @ 9:05am 
I'm scared of AMD's TDP. For less price you get a case full of coolers and their noise... Also Intel has rather good manuals for their pieces. I think, now Intel and Nvidia are the best for Linux.

Originally posted by Arch Linux - Junior s2 Camila:
Here the AMD costs lower. And there's really not much difference between those two, but I can do really good OC's with AMD processors and get the same performance but with lower price.

I've hear most good things about i7's but I'm still sticking with AMD, unless I find a cheaper one with the same/better performance as the AMD's I can buy. Or I'll buy online, but most sellers don't ship to Brazil.
Look for Xeons then. I'm on Xeon E3-1230V2 http://ark.intel.com/products/65732/
It's cheaper than i7, non-overcloackable, only 69W TDP and without that stupid IGP.
[Linux] Junior s2 Camila Dec 20, 2013 @ 10:15am 
I just LOVE to OC. There's no way I'm buying an non-overcloackable CPU LOL

BTW what happened to your name?
Kranky K. Krackpot Sr. Dec 20, 2013 @ 11:11am 
Originally posted by Arch Linux - Junior s2 Camila:
I just LOVE to OC. There's no way I'm buying an non-overcloackable CPU LOL

BTW what happened to your name?
Hmm, OC is just even more of coolers and noise... Anyway, Xeons are the worst choice for OC.
Pardon, what is with my name?
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