Doc Holliday Feb 14 @ 6:33am
heres part of why Valve did not go with Ubuntu and why Linux Mint needs to change its Core
If it was not for Ubuntu's derivative's they would not had the success they have today, also Valve played a huge part in making them even more successful, just as Linux Mint did, the only point i see to this is webserver usage, but Linux Mint has there own web servers so i think they need to change there core, to say SteamOS? as SteamOS, to me is a better choice, for Linux Mint and letting users make package archive's that work on SteamOS and Mint will be a win for both users :)


http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2014/02/13/community-council-statement-on-canonical-package-licensing/
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LOLCAT Feb 14 @ 6:56am 
SteamOS is supposed to be the software running on a "console". It is supposed to be invisible, as users use Steam and its features. Quitting to the desktop is only there because
1. some people would do it anyway
2. to shut the mouth of so-called "power users".

Think of the SteamBox as any other console and SteamOS as the thing running on it. Would you recommend linux Mint switching to the core of whatever drives the xbox 360? Or the PSP? Forget SteamOS as a general use distro. We already have literally hundreds of them and it would also defeat the purpose.

Mint already has a Debian based flavor, so making a Debian based based flavor would not make sense anyway...
Doc Holliday Feb 14 @ 7:05am 
Originally posted by LOLCAT:
SteamOS is supposed to be the software running on a "console". It is supposed to be invisible, as users use Steam and its features. Quitting to the desktop is only there because
1. some people would do it anyway
2. to shut the mouth of so-called "power users".

Think of the SteamBox as any other console and SteamOS as the thing running on it. Would you recommend linux Mint switching to the core of whatever drives the xbox 360? Or the PSP? Forget SteamOS as a general use distro. We already have literally hundreds of them and it would also defeat the purpose.

Mint already has a Debian based flavor, so making a Debian based based flavor would not make sense anyway...

SteamOS is like a upgraded Debian so it does make sense to do, as the LMDE is a unstable rolling release, also SteamOS, may end up having, the biggest developers base, so it will make even more sense, to use SteamOS as Linux Mint's core, as many developers use Linux Mint today.
=CmG= |@| Quaid Feb 14 @ 7:15am 
I agree, LMDE removes some of the purported value that Mint would gain from moving to SteamOS as a base. However, you are probabyl also correct that SteamOS will see more developers than Debian....can't we expect those developments to be mostly cross-compatible with LMDE, though? Is that too simplistic of an outlook?

Also, since LMDE exists, would it be much work for Mint to release a LMSOSE (Linux Mint SteamOS Edition)? Does LMDE imply that the building blocks for a SteamOS-edition of Mint are already available? In which case, would it not be safer for Mint to release a LMSOSE in addition to, rather than as a replacement of the Ubuntu core?
Doc Holliday Feb 14 @ 7:47am 
Originally posted by Quaid:
I agree, LMDE removes some of the purported value that Mint would gain from moving to SteamOS as a base. However, you are probabyl also correct that SteamOS will see more developers than Debian....can't we expect those developments to be mostly cross-compatible with LMDE, though? Is that too simplistic of an outlook?

Also, since LMDE exists, would it be much work for Mint to release a LMSOSE (Linux Mint SteamOS Edition)? Does LMDE imply that the building blocks for a SteamOS-edition of Mint are already available? In which case, would it not be safer for Mint to release a LMSOSE in addition to, rather than as a replacement of the Ubuntu core?

they're many licensing issues with using Ubuntu as a core as SteamOS is base on Debian Debian has no real licensing issues the only down side to this is PPA's for some users the ones who use them the translate from Ubuntu to SteamOS will be a bumpy road only do to PPA's there is also tanglu Linux that plans to have PPA's and is base off from Debian but they have so few developers they can't even get a release out in time they're only in beta atm
Cybertao Feb 14 @ 10:21am 
You could just use Debian, made with a Debian base.
-FwG- ^ Bucky21659 Feb 14 @ 11:27am 
Why do people keep ♥♥♥♥♥ing about Ubuntu?

It works, what's wrong with it!? I get CONSTANT FLACK about using it and quite frankly I just don't understand.
Cybertao Feb 14 @ 11:36am 
Even more people use Windows. The Linux community used to hate on them.

Does anyone know when we switched to cannibalising our own?
Doc Holliday Feb 14 @ 11:42am 
Originally posted by Cybertao:
Even more people use Windows. The Linux community used to hate on them.

Does anyone know when we switched to cannibalising our own?

when CLA's and bad licensing issues happen also people use to hate on redhat when they had a CLA's too they done away with them and even now own CentOS
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Doc Holliday Feb 14 @ 11:44am 
Originally posted by -FwG- ^ Player LoVEs yOU:
Why do people keep ♥♥♥♥♥ing about Ubuntu?

It works, what's wrong with it!? I get CONSTANT FLACK about using it and quite frankly I just don't understand.
this is about licensing issues you can no longer fork Ubuntu without licensing it or removing the Ubuntu name
Cybertao Feb 14 @ 12:10pm 
Do you have similar issues with Firefox not allowing you to use Firefox branding in forks?

Canonical provide a huge amount of resources to the community. It's not surprising they don't want other distributions riding on their coat-tails, receiving only sneers and derision instead of thanks.
I don't like Ubuntu as a product any more so no longer use it, as is my choice. I still receive support from Canonical though as worthy backports get implemented in Debian, which flow on to derivatives such as SteamOS. Thanks, Canonical.

If I was limited for choice, I'd pick Canonical to maintain my operating-system over Valve as some of you are suggesting with using SteamOS.
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Doc Holliday Feb 14 @ 1:24pm 
Originally posted by Cybertao:
Do you have similar issues with Firefox not allowing you to use Firefox branding in forks?

Canonical provide a huge amount of resources to the community. It's not surprising they don't want other distributions riding on their coat-tails, receiving only sneers and derision instead of thanks.
I don't like Ubuntu as a product any more so no longer use it, as is my choice. I still receive support from Canonical though as worthy backports get implemented in Debian, which flow on to derivatives such as SteamOS. Thanks, Canonical.

If I was limited for choice, I'd pick Canonical to maintain my operating-system over Valve as some of you are suggesting with using SteamOS.

You can use firefox that was over a logo LOL also the Iceweasel fork says Mozilla Corporation really big on it so it's not really the same type of issue it was about the logo being non-free they had permission to use the trademark in firefox

but i think this has more to do with Linux Mint's OEM partnership

also you can upgrade Debian 7 to SteamOS and did you see how welcoming a lot of the Debian developers was to Valve when they found out SteamOS was a fork of Debian this is part of why i like Debian many memebers of it's community are welcoming and Btw SteamOS is getting a lot of it's bug fixes from the community's ;)

Debian even has a page for it's Derivatives

https://wiki.debian.org/Derivatives/Census/SteamOS

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation_software_rebranded_by_the_Debian_project
Cybertao Feb 14 @ 2:54pm 
Originally posted by Doc Holliday:
Debian even has a page for it's Derivatives

https://wiki.debian.org/Derivatives/Census/SteamOS
Yep. Ubuntu and Tanglu are derivatives as well. Thanks Valve! Thanks Tanglu!. I might owe some thanks to the Mint team.

You're right they are better to change their core, but wrong to what. They should be a Debian derivative instead of swapping Canonical for Valve.
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Doc Holliday Feb 14 @ 3:12pm 
Originally posted by Cybertao:
Originally posted by Doc Holliday:
Debian even has a page for it's Derivatives

https://wiki.debian.org/Derivatives/Census/SteamOS
Yep. Ubuntu and Tanglu are derivatives as well. Thanks Valve! Thanks Tanglu!. I might owe some thanks to the Mint team.

You're right they are better to change their core, but wrong to what. They should be a Debian derivative instead of swapping Canonical for Valve.
or use Debian as Main and SteamOS for power users?
Cybertao Feb 14 @ 3:15pm 
'Power users'?
Doc Holliday Feb 14 @ 3:18pm 
Originally posted by Cybertao:
'Power users'?
gamers etc
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