Steam for Linux > Obecné diskuze > Detaily tématu
DIRT 4. úno. v 2.23 odp.
Steamos Gnome?
I'm not trying to start a flame war. So don't start. It has been about a year since I used gnome.
I was wondering what the reason behind steamos using gnome. The last time I used gnome the gtk api wasn't stable. It also used +600 mb of ram and required 3d acceleration to work. (gnome fall back isnt going to be there forever)
I got the impression gnome devs only wanted GTK3 to be used with Gnome. Every update seemed like it was build for that version of gnome and broke things.

I know its a console but file managers are important. Natilus isn't what it used to be. Even ubuntu is considering not using natilus because "features are being removed faster than they can be patched back in."
Zobrazeno 1-15 z 35 komentářů
< >
Apocryphus 4. úno. v 2.55 odp. 
I agree that GNOME is a poor choice of DE for Steam OS to use. I really suggest moving towards XFCE since it's modular and allows proprietary components to be added, making it exceptionally versatile.
DIRT 4. úno. v 5.20 odp. 
i like what xfce is currently. They do focus on stability. But they are going to go the gtk3 route it looks like. Also sync to vblank is an issue with all x11 desktops unless it is using some kind of opengl compositor.
[Linux] Junior s2 Camila 4. úno. v 5.41 odp. 
Has XFCE added openGL support or they still bogging CPU resources?
Doc Holliday 4. úno. v 7.15 odp. 
i like MATE its around 100MB of ram
Kranky K. Krackpot Sr. 4. úno. v 10.46 odp. 
As far as I remember, Gnome is Debian's default DE, and SteamOS is actually Debian with Steam on it.
Though, in Debian's installator it's possible to select some another DE (KDE, LXDE and don't remember what else).
As for Steam gaming -- Steam's Big Picture on pure X (with no DE or WM at all) would be the best, I think.
Naposledy upravil Kranky K. Krackpot Sr.; 4. úno. v 10.47 odp.
Apocryphus 5. úno. v 5.19 dop. 
Kranky K. Krackpot původně napsal:
As far as I remember, Gnome is Debian's default DE, and SteamOS is actually Debian with Steam on it.
Though, in Debian's installator it's possible to select some another DE (KDE, LXDE and don't remember what else).
As for Steam gaming -- Steam's Big Picture on pure X (with no DE or WM at all) would be the best, I think.

It's funny that you miss out XFCE while that DE is the subject on this thread thus far: just saying. I guess some people don't got the eyes to see XFCE. :)~

As far as Reason is concerned, discrediting what Kranky guy just said, I think you can install any DE that actually has been tested for use under Debian. You don't have to use GNOME, and it's certainly not a prime choice for a gamer since it uses up a lot of resources.
[Linux] Junior s2 Camila 5. úno. v 5.50 dop. 
Actually, GNOME has pretty much the same performance as XFCE. Lightweight doesn't mean better performance, specially concerning XFCE which is as slow as the other DE's.

http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ubuntu_1310_desktops&num=2
Kranky K. Krackpot Sr. 5. úno. v 5.57 dop. 
Doc Holliday původně napsal:
i like MATE its around 100MB of ram
Hehe, openbox is around 20-30Mb, and DWM can be squeezed in 15 (14 of them being X).
mearo 6. úno. v 11.00 odp. 
Kranky K. Krackpot původně napsal:
Doc Holliday původně napsal:
i like MATE its around 100MB of ram
Hehe, openbox is around 20-30Mb, and DWM can be squeezed in 15 (14 of them being X).

I don't think there's any hope for openbox on SteamOS by default.
I'd be interested in knowing how SteamOS compares in performance to just a really minimal install of some distro (like you mentioned in your previous post).
Because I think they said SteamOS would have a few tweaks for gaming, but maybe they are also losing some of the edge by using gnome
Kranky K. Krackpot Sr. 7. úno. v 1.09 dop. 
mearo(´・ω・`) původně napsal:
I don't think there's any hope for openbox on SteamOS by default.
I'd be interested in knowing how SteamOS compares in performance to just a really minimal install of some distro (like you mentioned in your previous post).
Because I think they said SteamOS would have a few tweaks for gaming, but maybe they are also losing some of the edge by using gnome
What is the default DE in SteamOS -- it's up to Valve's devs. I think they simply accepted Debian's default Gnome. Theoretically, it's possible to set another DE as default install for SteamOS, but practically it'll require quite a bit of tweaks in Debian's installer. Maybe Valve's devs just don't want to bother with it.
As for performance -- it depends. Say, if you have only 1Gb of RAM the difference between 15Mb DWM and 200Mb Gnome will be considerable; if you have 32Gb RAM you'll hardly notice any difference. The only sure way is to check it in place.
I've heard that Steam don't like compositing, so as long as you stick to non-compositing WMs you'll probably get nearly the same performance (at least in full-screen mode, and on same PC, of course).
Naposledy upravil Kranky K. Krackpot Sr.; 7. úno. v 1.23 dop.
blackout24 7. úno. v 6.20 dop. 
Who gives a ♥♥♥♥ what SteamOS uses as DE? You're not going to use it on your TV the entire day anyway.
LOLCAT 7. úno. v 9.28 dop. 
To answer the original question... We know that Valve loves to do the opposite what its customers want. To be precise, they always do things to make people disappointed to make psychological bonds stronger. That's why they have such a large fan base.

We also know that Gnome 3 is an abomination, everyone hates it and only masochists use it on a daily basis. No sane Steam user would choose it willingly for SteamOS.

Now add the 2 things together. Gnome 3 is an obvious choice for Valve. As people hate it, it makes the Valve addiction even stronger. Probably they also considered going terminal-only, but that would please a few geeks, which would mean a few lost customers, so they stick to Gnome 3 instead.
mearo 7. úno. v 2.46 odp. 
blackout24 původně napsal:
Who gives a ♥♥♥♥ what SteamOS uses as DE? You're not going to use it on your TV the entire day anyway.
I don't think people have a problem with it because of usage.

It's not like we just don't like the aesthetics of that DE. I'm sure those who have a problem with it are concerned with the fact that gnome is one of the more resource intensive DE's out there.

LOLCAT původně napsal:
To answer the original question... We know that Valve loves to do the opposite what its customers want. To be precise, they always do things to make people disappointed to make psychological bonds stronger. That's why they have such a large fan base.

I don't understand this at all.. There are plenty of game companies out there who do things their customers don't like... and they don't build up a fan base like valve.
(If your post was sarcastic then I apologize for responding like this but it was completely lost on me)

I'm a fan of valve, and I am one because they don't disappoint me. How could I be disappointed by a company that makes some of my favorite games of all time, has customer support that has never failed me (personally, and has in fact gone to some great lengths to help me), and is pushing for Linux support when every other company is too afraid.
Naposledy upravil mearo; 7. úno. v 2.54 odp.
algiuz 8. úno. v 1.34 dop. 
You gotta love burning hate in linux users heart for gnome shell. Why the hell do you care what DE steamOS will use? 98 proc. of people who will use steamOS will never see gnome shell. And as for people who know what gnome shell is... Well, they also know that steamOS is just steam big picture on top of debian, so why the hell would even use steamOS in a first place? You have fully costumized linux distro to your liking on your computer you just need to install steam on it and you got a much better experience than steamOS. Don't forget - steamOS is for console crowd (aka dumb people who don't know that OS is) not for everyday pc user. Chill out a bit, because you are wasting your time on disscusion that doesn't even matter and I wasted my time here too. Peace.
CompanionTube 8. úno. v 5.06 dop. 
if you're booting into the steamos session the gnome desktop doesn't even get loaded.... not until you tick the access the linux desktop button. the desktop doesn't really matter
...if you're worrying if your pc can run the desktop i don't have much hope for your pc running the likes of Metro Last Light

the desktop is irrelevant.... it's the games that matter
Zobrazeno 1-15 z 35 komentářů
< >
Na stránku: 15 30 50
Datum odeslání: 4. úno. v 2.23 odp.
Počet příspěvků: 35