Hacks...or am I just crazy?

[RawkMode]

I have always taken the position that the amount of "hacking" that is reported seems...exaggerated. However, in the last week I have had two things happen that I feel were the results of hacking, but I may be just crazy (or possibly simply irritated at being owned so thoroughly, I dunno.)

Incident 1:

On a server about a week ago, can't remember the name exactly (something Dungeon, based out of St. Louis) and was making my way along the coastal portion of Elektro, headed west. Start hearing a double barreled shotgun firing in town, probably vicinity of the hospital. Then I hear it again...and again....and again. I decide that it's best to move on as quick as I can. I can hear the firing receding in the distance as I come to an open area between the last beach houses and the sewing factory right before the start of the industrial portion of Elektro. I break cover, and start sprinting toward the docks and warehouses.

The firing in the distance stops.
Then both my legs break and I face plant.
Then a player I had somehow never noticed standing in front of me was....standing in front of me.
I call him a hacker.
He says he should kill himself out of shame.
He starts the F11 animation and puts his double barreled shotgun under his chin, says goodbye and pulls the trigger...
...killing me.

Incident 2:

I'm on one of the =UN=/ZAP servers, which I happen to like quite a bit, and which are first-person only. I've convinced one of my friends to play this server with me despite him warning me that this server is known for hackers...to which I respond with something like, "That's completely ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, put your big girl panties on and let's play." Utterly shamed by my contempt for his sissy-ness, he agrees and joins me on the server. We play for several days, no problem.

Then last night he encounters some kind of massacre going down in Elektro (why is it always Elektro?) and since I was heading south already, I am now hauling ass to meet him there. I have made the mistake of telling him that I think the UN Clan guys are playing the Hero role on this server, so when he sees one of them he appproaches the guy, tells him what's going on and asks for any help he might give. Before shooting my buddy, aforementioned UN guy says, "Yeah, I'm the one killing everyone."

OK, fair enough. I gave bad info to my buddy, and he died. No issues there, just bad judgement and my friend was a new spawn at the time anyway, so who cares, right?

It's just at this point that I reach the outer edge of town (the Hay Bales area to the northwest.) I had just fired two shots from my Mosin to take out a pair of zombies that I didn't want to mess around with and I open my inventory to reload.

I eject the rounds, the weapon empties and the bullets appear in my inventory.
I reload and get the appropriate message in my UI.
After running a few more steps, I hear an ammo splitting sound and get a UI message saying that the rifle is now empty.
I open my inventory, chalk it up to desync, and load the weapon again...except that I see that I am actually missing 5 rounds already. Odd.
I keep running and again hear the ammo sound and get the UI message.
I open the inventory and reload again...and again I see that I am already missing 5 rounds.
I start running again and I suddenly find myself putting my rifle away, and pulling out my compass instead (rifle is slot #1, compass is slot #5).
I put the compass away, pull out my rifle and start running again...
...only to stop and put my rifle away to pull out bandages (slot #10).
I then crouch to begin bandaging and can not cancel the action.
The player I had not noticed standing next to me in the woods is now standing next to me in the woods and shoots me in the head with his Mosin.

So, am I crazy?

[A.Gorilla.exe]

yeah that's typical hacks story

[Potatoes]

You can hit people with the suicide bullet through your head, if you're close enough.

[Korrosiv]

Yeap, hackers.. some people will utterly deny their existence, for some fanboyist reason.

[PcPAirgun]

It's good that all Hackers are playing now so Battleeye can collect as many Data as possible.

[Deez tings]

Originally posted by PcPAirgun:

It's good that all Hackers are playing now so Battleeye can collect as many Data as possible.

He was great in Star Trek! He will help them fight scripters with his robot strength.

[Diogenes]

You know what I think is happening?

A few psychological effects are taking place on the forum.

1: Group Think.
2: Mass Hysteria
3: Paranoia.
4: Miss-information.

There are that many miss-conceptions, and miss-understanding's over hacking, and what hackers can do that it has infected the gaming community.

It's no different than an cut that has become infected on the human body. The infection has set in, and is currently being nurtured when it should be cleaned out and treated effectively, so that it can heal properly.

Many people are now putting even the simplest, most obvious issues down to hacking when it could be any number of reason's.

Don't judge the situation so quickly, just think about it a bit. Critical Thinking.

[RawkMode]

Originally posted by SgtPotatoes:

You can hit people with the suicide bullet through your head, if you're close enough.

Yep...but we were facing each other, and the pellets should have passed through his head at an angle away from me.

Originally posted by Teddy,Jurah:

Originally posted by PcPAirgun:

It's good that all Hackers are playing now so Battleeye can collect as many Data as possible.

He was great in Star Trek! He will help them fight scripters with his robot strength.

I find this disconcerting, since my understanding was that Data was a unique lifeform...and don't go getting all preachy about Lore either!

Originally posted by Cadderley:

You know what I think is happening?

Many people are now putting even the simplest, most obvious issues down to hacking when it could be any number of reason's.

Don't judge the situation so quickly, just think about it a bit. Critical Thinking.

Again, I have always argued that hacking accusations were wildly exaggerated...and I honestly continue to believe that.

Nonetheless, this did in fact happen to me as I described, and after spending some time trying to figure out what had happened, I realized I had no explanation. That's why I posted something about it, in the hopes that someone would say either:

"Oh, that is actually a result of this bug or that thing and it's not really "hacking," it's just bad luck,"

or, failing that, then:

"Yes, what you experienced is a well known script thingy and if you want to avoid having that happen, here is some decent advice or whatnot."

Good hunting, and I'll see you in game.

[SPYcorp]

Its not the first report about unload/split ammo hack. Also watched a proof video were a "teleporting" guy unloaded/splitted ammo of a player. few weeks old i´ve watched it but i guess there is still a way doing things like that.

[Ryzo]

Scripters, not Hackers.

No1 hacks. They use a script someone ELSE made.

Thus Scripters were born

[SPYcorp]

And these scripts only can executed via a 3rd party tool(s). so finally its hacking.

[A.Gorilla.exe]

Originally posted by White2abbit:

Scripters, not Hackers.

No1 hacks. They use a script someone ELSE made.

Thus Scripters were born

point is moot these days... even the devs call them hackers now...