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Absurdist Feb 27, 2013 @ 5:29am
This is getting silly.
I'm really disappointed by how silly people are being, Towns is a good game, visibly inspired by things such as dwarf fortress and being worked on and improved all the time. And for some will be horribly boring, as will dwarf fortress, but that isn't to say that it's a bad game, just that it's not the genre you expected.

Steam doesn't mean that a game will be 100% completed, nor that it will be bug free, Steam doesn't mean that you will necessarily enjoy the game, nor that you will feel it’s value for money.

So, basically I am saying, get over it, you had all the relevant information that should have indicated to you that the game was still being worked on, you all should be able to realise when you get a game that you don't enjoy, that the decision to purchase it, and the responsibility is on you, and that unless the developers are actively trying to screw you, I.e. WarZ, you shouldn't feel the need to rant about how hard done you have been because well, it's your fault. You bought it.

And I get that when a game is disappointing that well, it sucks. But lots of people are playing and enjoying towns, but it’s a very niche game. So it’s never going to appeal to everyone.
That's just how it is.
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TheronGodspeed Feb 27, 2013 @ 5:39am 
Some of what you say is just blatantly false. Troll.

But, I'll risk feeding you...

Steam (and the developers) were NOT up front about the state of the game when it was released. So NO, people did NOT have "all the relevant information that should have indicated to you that the game was still being worked on."

Get over yourself.
Mumboejumboh Feb 27, 2013 @ 6:20am 
It's never a good idea to try and make a poignant point while simultaneously completely dismissing people. I don't think you even really read the things people are bringing up about the game, because if you had you might have noticed that there are some legitimate issues with Towns that, until fairly recently, weren't being addressed in the slightest.

To be honest, it's really hard to take you seriously when you broadly paint everyone that has issues with the game as being "silly".
Cyborgt Feb 27, 2013 @ 1:50pm 
Originally posted by jeremyareed:
So NO, people did NOT have "all the relevant information that should have indicated to you that the game was still being worked on."

To add to that point, I actually looked around quite a bit and right after the release of the game and there really weren't many videos of the most recent build (v8a I think it was at the time) of the game. I believe I found maybe 2 channels total with videos of that build at that time and those videos didn't even come close to showing everything.

I always find it hillarious when someone makes the argument that "the information was out there" when trying to defend the game. It's neither refuting the stated issues nor actually presenting any positives. It's also factually incorrect for being able to determine the exact state of the game.
TheronGodspeed Feb 27, 2013 @ 3:54pm 
"Absurdist" is perhaps an appropriate moniker. The claims are certainly absurd, anyway.
Nalidus Feb 27, 2013 @ 4:19pm 
Typical Towns Defense Squad response: insult and blame the user instead of actually looking at the problem. Majority of your post is nothing more than typical TDS nonsense.

Originally posted by Absurdist:
Steam doesn't mean that a game will be 100% completed

For a game to go from Greenlight to being released on Steam, Valve requires that the game has to be considered feature complete. Feature complete means that it cannot be an alpha or beta product. Yet, Towns was still in Alpha testing right before the official launch to Steam.
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ownomics Feb 27, 2013 @ 4:39pm 
I lament every one of these threads.
Originally posted by Nalidus:
Typical Towns Defense Squad response: insult and blame the user instead of actually looking at the problem. Majority of your post is nothing more than typical TDS nonsense.
Feature complete means that it cannot be an alpha or beta product. Yet, Towns was still in Alpha testing right before the official launch to Steam.
Actually, it was beta.
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Cyborgt Feb 27, 2013 @ 5:13pm 
Originally posted by ownomics:
I lament every one of these threads.

Can't really blame you there. They're not terribly productive.

Originally posted by ownomics:
Actually, it was beta.

That one is actually pretty tricky as I understand it. I wasn't there during the pre-release but from what i've been told it is true that there was a beta stage. The problem with it is that (again, from what i've heard) it was very short lived, changed almost nothing and involved a smaller select portion of the consumer base they had prior to launch. As such, for the majority of their customers (and in terms of what was publicly visible) it effectively went straight from alpha to release. It was even rumored that the "beta" was nothing more than a quick check to make sure the game functioned properly through Steam.

It has been a while since I looked into the details of that issue so I could certainly be missing something in there. I just remember that that whole issue never really looked very good for SMP.

None of that really matters though. There are far bigger problems to pick on in relation to Towns than that but at least they're still working on it.
Nalidus Feb 27, 2013 @ 5:16pm 
Originally posted by ownomics:
I lament every one of these threads.
Originally posted by Nalidus:
Typical Towns Defense Squad response: insult and blame the user instead of actually looking at the problem. Majority of your post is nothing more than typical TDS nonsense.
Feature complete means that it cannot be an alpha or beta product. Yet, Towns was still in Alpha testing right before the official launch to Steam.
Actually, it was beta.
Got proof?
ownomics Feb 27, 2013 @ 5:20pm 
Originally posted by Nalidus:
Originally posted by ownomics:
I lament every one of these threads.

Actually, it was beta.
Got proof?
Well it wasn't alpha, that's for sure.
Do you have proof that it was an alpha? No?
It(v9) wasn't even close to alpha anyway.
Nalidus Feb 27, 2013 @ 5:21pm 
Originally posted by Cyborgt:
Originally posted by ownomics:
I lament every one of these threads.

Can't really blame you there. They're not terribly productive.

Originally posted by ownomics:
Actually, it was beta.

That one is actually pretty tricky as I understand it. I wasn't there during the pre-release but from what i've been told it is true that there was a beta stage. The problem with it is that (again, from what i've heard) it was very short lived, changed almost nothing and involved a smaller select portion of the consumer base they had prior to launch. As such, for the majority of their customers (and in terms of what was publicly visible) it effectively went straight from alpha to release. It was even rumored that the "beta" was nothing more than a quick check to make sure the game functioned properly through Steam.

As far as I can recall during my time in Alpha, nothing was ever publicly stated by the devs that the testing was switching from Alpha to Beta. It was only after the game was released, when people were using the Alpha status as basis against the questionable release of the game that the devs decided to state that the players were in Beta testing.
Nalidus Feb 27, 2013 @ 5:25pm 
Originally posted by ownomics:
Originally posted by Nalidus:
Got proof?
Well it wasn't alpha, that's for sure.
Do you have proof that it was an alpha? No?
It(v9) wasn't even close to alpha anyway.

Yes... I have proof... as I was there doing the testing during Alpha. And, I was still testing the game right before it released to Steam and I do not actively recall any public announcements that we were now testing the Beta.

So, unless you have proof that the devs publicly announced that Alpha testing switched to Beta testing before the release of Steam, desist on spreading your baseless statements.
ownomics Feb 27, 2013 @ 5:31pm 
Originally posted by Nalidus:
Yes... I have proof... as I was there doing the testing during Alpha. And, I was still testing the game right before it released to Steam and I do not actively recall any public announcements that we were now testing the Beta.
Doesn't mean it was actually an alpha though.
A game in "alpha" state will have a great majority of its intended, planned and confirmed features and mechanics unimplemented, buggy or broken; most of its textures, models and/or UI incomplete, unrefined, missing or non-existant(with the possibility of placeholders); be unreleased(assuming they don't follow the minecraft purchase model); be closed to the vast majority of its community if not the entirety and so on.

Originally posted by Nalidus:
desist on spreading your baseless statements.
Sounds to me you're getting a bit passive aggressive there.
I'm going to ask you to not attempt to start an argument over a single, miniscule detail and to discuss the topic at hand in a pragmatic and objective manner.
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Nalidus Feb 27, 2013 @ 5:36pm 
Originally posted by ownomics:
Originally posted by Nalidus:
Yes... I have proof... as I was there doing the testing during Alpha. And, I was still testing the game right before it released to Steam and I do not actively recall any public announcements that we were now testing the Beta.
Doesn't mean it was actually an alpha though.
A game in "alpha" state will have a great majority of its intended, planned and confirmed features and mechanics unimplemented, buggy or broken; most of its textures, models and/or UI incomplete, unrefined, missing or non-existant(with the possibility of placeholders); be unreleased(assuming they don't follow the minecraft purchase model); be closed to the vast majority of its community if not the entirety and so on.

No, until the devs publicly state that the game is out of Alpha and now in Beta, then the game is still in Alpha.

Originally posted by ownomics:
Originally posted by Nalidus:
desist on spreading your baseless statements.
Sounds to me you're getting a bit passive aggressive there.
I'm going to ask you to not attempt to start an argument over a single, miniscule detail and to discuss the topic at hand in a pragmatic and objective manner.

Oh... the irony. Hint: I wasn't the one that stated "It was in Beta".

Again, until you have proof that the devs publicly announced that Alpha testing switched to Beta testing before the release of Steam, desist on spreading your baseless statements.
ownomics Feb 27, 2013 @ 5:40pm 
Originally posted by Nalidus:
No, until the devs publicly state that the game is out of Alpha and now in Beta, then the game is still in Alpha.
Whatever you call it, it doesn't necessarily line up with what it actually is.
See:
http://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/alpha-test
http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/A/alpha_version.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_release_life_cycle
http://www.pcmag.com/encyclopedia_term/0,1237,t=alpha+test&i=37674,00.asp

Originally posted by Nalidus:
Originally posted by ownomics:
Sounds to me you're getting a bit passive aggressive there.
I'm going to ask you to not attempt to start an argument over a single, miniscule detail and to discuss the topic at hand in a pragmatic and objective manner.

Oh... the irony. Hint: I wasn't the one that stated "It was in Beta".
That is largely irrelevant to the block of text you quoted, my friend.

Originally posted by Nalidus:
baseless statements.
See above.
Also, it seems illogical for a game to jump from the alpha state to released in such a small timeframe. Think about that for a moment.
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Nalidus Feb 27, 2013 @ 6:02pm 
Originally posted by ownomics:
Originally posted by Nalidus:
No, until the devs publicly state that the game is out of Alpha and now in Beta, then the game is still in Alpha.
Whatever you call it, it doesn't necessarily line up with what it actually is.
See:
http://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/alpha-test
http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/A/alpha_version.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_release_life_cycle
http://www.pcmag.com/encyclopedia_term/0,1237,t=alpha+test&i=37674,00.asp

Collinsdictonary's definition is useless as Alpha testing is not only done in house. Towns, Gnomoria, Project Zomboid, and Endless Space are four examples of games that could be purchased while still in Alpha to Alpha test the game.

Webopedia's definition doesn't disqualify my statements what-so-ever. The game was not and still is not feature complete. Especially since the devs have stated they want to actually make a working economy based on the Heroes.

Wikipedia's also doesn't disqualify my statements either. The game was not an still is not feature complete.

And, PCmag's definition is also completely useless as Alpha testing is not only done in house anymore.

So... to end this point... you haven't refuted a thing. Where's the actual statement from the devs before the game was released on Steam that Towns went from being an Alpha test to a Beta?

Originally posted by ownomics:
Also, it seems illogical for a game to jump from the alpha state to released in such a small timeframe. Think about that for a moment.

I know it's illogical. But, its still a fact. I have yet to see a public statement from the Towns devs before the release on Steam, that the game went from Alpha to Beta. I KNOW it was in Alpha because it was actively advertised as such on their website when I purchased it in the middle of last year.
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