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Melideas Aug 28, 2014 @ 2:27am
Everyone say its a abandoned game, is that true?
I read a few times that towns is abondoned or very, very slow-paced, a scam or something.
I READ that, that doesnt mean i think so. I'm just here to hear people opinions, so lay your swords down, take yourself a tea and share your opinion.

Greetz
Melideas
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BlueSteelAUS Aug 28, 2014 @ 2:58am 
no matter what your intensions are this will start up yet another war, there are 2 schools of opinions, those who want to see towns succeed and those who don't.

yes, it was reported that towns had been abandoned, truth, its never been abandoned, the third party that they had hired to do work on towns gave up.

yes at times the main author of the game has been demoralised by posts and lost interest , however he has never abandoned it. though there have been times that to him the game was complete, this has never been accepted by the community, and has stired up some bad feelings all around.

yes updates are slower than some would like.

the game is still under developement, as are mods for the game. v14d of the game (is the current version). V15 is currently under developement. So the game has not been abandoned.

all this and more can be learned from the many posts already posted hear and on the main support forum for towns. http://www.townsgame.com/forums/ which is where most of the dev talk happens when it does along with modding threads.
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ragnar119 Aug 28, 2014 @ 3:43am 
Not abandon, but very slow development speed.

Here are the last update dates when they released smaller/bigger patches:
july 18th 2014
april 2nd 2014
september 28th 2013
september 22th 2013
september 20th 2013
may 1st 2013
april 30th 2013
april 16th 2013
april 11th 2013
april 9th 2013

So as you see, slow and in very irregular time periods, but the next version is in the works how it seems, but when they will release it we dont know.
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WarFerret Aug 28, 2014 @ 4:44am 
Not abandoned and a very fun game on top of that. I actually bought it thinking it WAS abandoned , but wanted to try it anyway. Quite happy that I did.
Cyborgt Aug 28, 2014 @ 1:49pm 
Technically no, it isn't "abandoned" nor has it ever been. It has come extremely close more than once though so take from that what you will.

Originally posted by BlueSteelAUS:
no matter what your intensions are this will start up yet another war, there are 2 schools of opinions, those who want to see towns succeed and those who don't.

Well, statements like that certainly don't help keep things civil.

Originally posted by BlueSteelAUS:
yes, it was reported that towns had been abandoned, truth, its never been abandoned, the third party that they had hired to do work on towns gave up.

True, but that's not the only time Towns has been accused of being abandoned nor was it the most significant reason it was accused of it at around that time.

Originally posted by BlueSteelAUS:
yes at times the main author of the game has been demoralised by posts and lost interest , however he has never abandoned it. though there have been times that to him the game was complete, this has never been accepted by the community, and has stired up some bad feelings all around.

That's pure conjecture. Xavi has quit working on the development of the game many times and as far as I know he hasn't made public statements outlining all the details of his reasons for doing so. In fact, the statements he did make that I saw never once even hinted at forum negativity as a possible cause.

Ultimately only time will tell how things turn out for Towns.
YetiChow Aug 28, 2014 @ 8:10pm 
Originally posted by Cyborgt:
Technically no, it isn't "abandoned" nor has it ever been. It has come extremely close more than once though so take from that what you will.

Originally posted by BlueSteelAUS:
no matter what your intensions are this will start up yet another war, there are 2 schools of opinions, those who want to see towns succeed and those who don't.

Well, statements like that certainly don't help keep things civil.

Originally posted by BlueSteelAUS:
yes, it was reported that towns had been abandoned, truth, its never been abandoned, the third party that they had hired to do work on towns gave up.

True, but that's not the only time Towns has been accused of being abandoned nor was it the most significant reason it was accused of it at around that time.

Originally posted by BlueSteelAUS:
yes at times the main author of the game has been demoralised by posts and lost interest , however he has never abandoned it. though there have been times that to him the game was complete, this has never been accepted by the community, and has stired up some bad feelings all around.

That's pure conjecture. Xavi has quit working on the development of the game many times and as far as I know he hasn't made public statements outlining all the details of his reasons for doing so. In fact, the statements he did make that I saw never once even hinted at forum negativity as a possible cause.

Ultimately only time will tell how things turn out for Towns.

BlueSteel's first statement may not have been the most delicate way of putting that sentiment, but I doubt he's the only person to have thought it. The OP did specifically ask for opinions, and that's one that any potential customer should be aware of. Of course, the flip side is that the other opinions are equally important to potential customers... but as the OP says, there's plenty of negative hype out there; so much so that it drowns out the posts put up that try to set the record straight about technical matters like whether the game ever left development (it didn't, in fact the deal was always that even after the game "finished development" there would still be new content; stuff like new decorations and maps and furniture that would use the existing features and just add variety to the game. That was the "gold edition" I sometimes mention, although those plans have since changed).

As for the last statement: Xavi didn't list that as a cause when he was doing interviews, but on the official forum he said it a few times in the aftermath. It's also worth noting that BlueSteel (as a moderator on the official forums) and I have spoken pretty extensively with Xavi about the "community vibe". Around the time Greenlight came into play, Xavi was already starting to hint at a disconnect between some of the more outlandish requests and the expectations that he and Ben started with. Ben was a bit more open with his view; but really, the proof is in the early posts - in all the early interviews where Towns "had so much potential", the thing that sealed the deal for those journalists was seeing two devs having fun with the game they were making. Once the focus shifted from having fun to fulfilling expectations, the Devs were already in dangerous territory... and there's simply no escaping the fact that the piled-on pressure was what pushed the situation too far. Xavi really needs to say something more on the matter, but going by historical patterns I'd say that won't happen before v15; and may well never happen at all. I hope that he can explain the impacts of that negativity, but Xavi is a very private person and he simply may not want to elaborate on the issue.

To go back to the thread-level: yes there has definitely been a rocky road of late. However, where some would only look at that; as part of the bigger picture that period of difficulties is not the death-knell that it's claimed to be. It at least shows that the Devs have resilience, courage and a determination to make the game they started out on. They're a little more expreienced and more capable now; so although the challenge has become greater, I'd say that there's a very good chance the Devs have grown a little more and a little faster than the challenge has. As many people have said though, ultimately time will tell.
Revirrim Aug 29, 2014 @ 9:40am 
so the tl;dr version is this from the forum that i can actually understand

-original dev or whoever design the codes : quit
-went to hire a new dev : they gave up due to lack of funds and the codes is confusing as hell
-put on hold temporarily
-now some other company wants to buy it (not sure if the deal went through or not)
-releasing bunch of bugfixes as semi-final version before being sold to the company

Is this correct?
BlueSteelAUS Aug 29, 2014 @ 10:14am 
no. on all accounts
Cyborgt Aug 29, 2014 @ 10:15am 
Originally posted by Revirrim:
so the tl;dr version is this from the forum that i can actually understand

-original dev or whoever design the codes : quit
-went to hire a new dev : they gave up due to lack of funds and the codes is confusing as hell
-put on hold temporarily
-now some other company wants to buy it (not sure if the deal went through or not)
-releasing bunch of bugfixes as semi-final version before being sold to the company

Is this correct?

It's pretty close to the events as it turned out. Technically the original dev didn't quit, at least not permanently or yet (though he has almost quit several times thus my previous statement of the game almost being abandoned more than once.) They did try to hire a new guy when the original dev decided he didn't wanna work on the game anymore but they were paying him on commission which was in rapid decline to the point where it wasn't long before he decided he wasn't getting paid enough.

After that, there was talk of trying to sell the IP to another company but that quickly fell through (or at least I assume it was quick since it wasn't long before they stopped talking about it.) After that, the original dev started working on the game again at a significantly reduced pace.

That's pretty much the highlights of at least the most recent events.
Revirrim Aug 29, 2014 @ 10:16am 
i thought moebius already quit due to not enough payment. i guess i was wrong
Cyborgt Aug 29, 2014 @ 10:18am 
Originally posted by Revirrim:
i thought moebius already quit due to not enough payment. i guess i was wrong

He did. Some time ago in fact.
Revirrim Aug 29, 2014 @ 10:25am 
Okay: another recap
1. Moebius quit working (their main coder or developer or whatever)
2. Hired dev whom they paid on selling commission quit due to not enough money
3. On hold again
4. Burningpet started helping with the game (no idea if he actually getting paid for it or not
5. There was talk about a 'large' company want to buy it.
6. The buy talk fell apart quickly
7. Original dev returned back to working on the game albeit on slow pace (is it Xavi?)
8. Updated into version 14d
9. 11th August development into ver 15 started

hope this is correct (or as close as it could be)
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Cyborgt Aug 29, 2014 @ 10:34am 
Originally posted by Revirrim:
Okay: another recap
1. Moebius quit working (their main coder or developer or whatever)
2. Hired dev whom they paid on selling commission quit due to not enough money
3. On hold again
4. Burningpet started helping with the game (no idea if he actually getting paid for it or not
5. There was talk about a 'large' company want to buy it.
6. The buy talk fell apart quickly
7. Original dev returned back to working on the game albeit on slow pace (is it Xavi?)
8. Updated into version 14d
9. 11th August development into ver 15 started

hope this is correct (or as close as it could be)

Moebius was Florian (the new guy that quit because of the pay) not the original dev. Burningpet (aka Ben) supposedly started helping with the game at the same time Xavi (aka supermalparit and the original dev) returned to working on it though I don't know much more about the details of Ben's involvement than you. The rest of it is close enough I guess.
BlueSteelAUS Aug 29, 2014 @ 10:38am 
1&2 .Moebius wasn't the original dev , he was the one that was hired
3. wasn't on hold after meobius quit, Xavi started fixing more bugs straight away
4. burning pet is one of the original 2 devs.
5. correct , Xavi was approached by a big company about buying it
6. It took some time for the company to make up their mind
7 Xavi is the main coder of towns , yes. and yes when moebius left he took back over the coding
8&9 about right (not sure of the date , as son as v14d was released Xavi started of V15
BlueSteelAUS Aug 29, 2014 @ 10:40am 
ben does the graphics and some of the .xml work
Revirrim Aug 29, 2014 @ 10:40am 
I see.. that indeed is helpful. but yeah. the main reason people calling this game dead is due to them not having PR and the ultra slow updates ;( + their internal management is a mess. and i had a lot of hope for this game when it was first released ( and still do)

You guys should make a thread about what happened in chronological order and pin it so people know that this game is still being worked on. too many rumours floating around and nobody cleared what the hell happened behind the scene since more than half of your buyer didn't actually pay attention to what happened in the forum)

also. #6 the purchase fail in the end then?
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