BombCarrier Aug 4, 2013 @ 11:07am
The Biker Files...
SPOILER ALERT:

In the Biker boss fight, you end up bashing his head in with a golf club. Obviously, this "kills" him. However, In the short Biker campaign, as Biker, you defeat Jacket, easily. Jacket's defeat is not as brutal as Biker's, because Jacket's head is only kicked. So here begins the confusion. Some theories say, Biker is the one who put Jacket in a coma, giving him brain damage. However, here is my counterclaim, when Jacket arrives in his apartment, Ritcher shoots him, putting him in a coma. We know this, because this is Jacket's last memory before waking up in the hospital. (All the missions before were his memories, leading up to his coma).

By the way, why did Ritcher shoot Jacket? Both recieved calls from the janitors. They should be on the same team with the same objective: To destroy the Russian Mafia.

Back to the topic:

Other theories say that neither Biker nor Jacket came to Phonehom. That they "lied' about going there. I have completely turned this theory down, because it defeats the purpose of the player actually going to Phonehom, much less the boss fight itself. So this theory is chidish.

So it all comes down to this; Is Biker dead? Or did he put Jacket in a coma? Then what about Ritcher? Did he only kill Jacket's girlfriend and leave? Did they even go to Phonehom?

Perplexing, I know.

Why don't you decide? Hey, mabye if I'm lucky enough, mabye a developer will comment, and he may shed some light.

All opinions are welcome, and thank you for your time.
Last edited by BombCarrier; Aug 24, 2013 @ 7:03am
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V2Blast Aug 4, 2013 @ 1:56pm 
Making your post title a spoiler defeats the purpose of saying "spoiler alert"...
FilthyEnders Aug 4, 2013 @ 8:28pm 
I usually put my spoilers in these... Spoiler text boxes!
FilthyEnders Aug 4, 2013 @ 8:32pm 
Anyways... I think that these guys were playing off eachothers growing maddness. Very bad people, doing very bad things for the greater good. Although, they weren't aware of why they were killing all those people(subliminal?).
I have other theories, but I want to see if anyone else has anything to contribute.
Akaquidam Aug 5, 2013 @ 6:00pm 
First, please excuse me if my english is a bit approximate :)

A mysterious plot indeed...^^

Here is what I think:

The Biker campaign is just what would happen if he survived the fight with Jacket, to give answers to the player. After all, that's the name of this part.

Jacket made an error in his quest of vengeance. It were announced by the Richard mask, after Richter shot Jacket and his girl: all that he do after that don't serve any pyrpose. That's what the Biker part explain.

The reason why Richter was sent by 50 Blessings... Maybe it's because Jacket should have killed the girl: he kills EVERY ONE where he's sent, and she knows about the phonecalls and the killings. She hasn't just survived, she became his girlfriend...

An other prediction of the Richard mask says somebody Jacket knows isn't who he think he is. There isn't so much characters^^, I think this is the guy he sees after every missions.

Think about him... Imagine him without hair and beard, he looks like Richter, and they have the same green eyes. Richter killing the Beard Man could be a symbol to represent this.

That's the way 50 Blessings uses to watch its members: the contact that makes them enter the organization is the one that watch on them.

In the first mission of Biker, he says to the man with the pig mask that he 's the one that "kept him into this mess".

And remember, the Richard mask said Jaket: "You don't even know who introduced us, do you?"

There's a lot to say... excuse me for having been so long^^
FilthyEnders Aug 5, 2013 @ 7:44pm 
@Akaquidam your english works just fine. That is why I really love this game. So many facets, all of which, look different depending on one's point of view. Sure the incredible violence and brutal choices are not to be ignored, but the story(much of it in context) is where it is at!
Barkaya Aug 6, 2013 @ 3:49am 
If Biker's Chapters really happened (i.e. they not just for answers about mess Russians vs Americans), then Biker just give brain damage to Jacket, but this not put him in a coma, though maked his memories-hallucinations much more worse (undead russians). Then there was been assasination of Jacket and his girlfriend by Richter.
Those persons with Horse, Rooster and Owl masks from some of hallucinations just Id, Ego and Super Ego. Id - lowest instincts directed towards survival (kinda like "you just need to rest"); Horse look like Jacket's girlfriend because she the one who really care about him. Ego - mental state from present tense; Rooster is a Jacket because that was been his first mask, he only asks questions because those 11 chapters already happened and he already knows about them, but want that Jacket understood all that happens with him. Super Ego - possibly ideal mental state; he hates Jacket for all his killings, just like all those russians and he looks just like ordinary russian mobster.
Sorry for bad English.
BombCarrier Aug 6, 2013 @ 8:51am 
@Akaquidam How do we know Jacket's girlfriend knows about the phonecalls? I think the only reason Ritcher killed her was because she wasin Jacket's apartment at the time.
Chilroy Aug 6, 2013 @ 11:05am 
I'm pretty sure that the boss fight is actually two different timelines/possibilites. In one timeline, Biker kills Jacket, and then Biker proceeds with his story and discovers who was in charge of the phone calls. In the other timeline, Jacket kills Biker, and then Jacket proceeds with his story and eventually avenges his dead girlfriend.
GlobalStrike Aug 6, 2013 @ 2:29pm 
Originally posted by FilthyEnders:
@Akaquidam your english works just fine. That is why I really love this game. So many facets, all of which, look different depending on one's point of view. Sure the incredible violence and brutal choices are not to be ignored, but the story(much of it in context) is where it is at! :Burn:

Agreed!

So great that I absolutely did not expect the story to be this interesting when I bought the game for the actual puzzle/action of it!
Akaquidam Aug 6, 2013 @ 3:26pm 
@Alexander III the Great::
I'm not really sure of anything, and you may be right, it stands to reason.

I think the girl knows about the phonecalls because she has direct access to the newspaper articles Jacket kept, and to the answering machine (the adresses where Jacket goes), but that's not proofs.

It's just a possible interpretation, and I totally agree with FilthyEnders and Globalstrike :)
GreyDantes Aug 23, 2013 @ 9:59pm 
@ BombCarrier
I want to believe that Biker is the one who put Jacket in the hospital. I liked Biker and it would almost make sense.This makes sense for a few reasons.

1. Jacket is admittedly an unreliable narrator. Don Juan mentions this too.

1a. Jacket predicts the los of his girlfriend quite early.

2a. Jacket suffers from a concussion(?) or head trauma on the hospital stage (hence its called trauma).

2b. The injury sustained by Richter in the flash back is a wound to the CHEST not the head...

2c. Jacket gets stomped by Biker in Bikers interpertation of the game in the head

3. Bikers body DISAPPEARS when the Bearded man""This... All of this is not really happening." The blood stain stays though. Seems sybolic of his coma recap and the events.
Perhaps Jacket WANTED to defeat biker.

I dont think Jacket ever encountered richter. At least not in the apartment. Richter also apparently had enough time to stick Hookers body in a fridge and chop her up. The firdge is bloodied after all. I dont think Richter was detained immmediately after the incident. He was in a local prison for that long?

also dont you think its odd you dont see hooker for two or three stage until she dies?

I think Jacket may have overheard hookers death in the coma or something...

also ...interesting that JACKETS car is graffittied ♥♥♥♥♥.

finally theres an ongoing theory of richter=bearded man

I disagree. Richter has the same color eyes as the Bearded man but thats it...they arent the same shape nor if you edit the beard the same face....study the pictures...they look different.

i do believe richard does know bearded man at some point but his job is probably only the rental biz....(the sequel makes me think so)

Richter porbably shot jacket as a tying up of loose ends....after all jacket is the only one it seems to have survive all of his encounters with the mob....also hooker shouldnt have survived(note that the hallucination people masks have died along the way).

i believe the someone you know isnt who you think he is refers to the janitor.

GreyDantes Aug 23, 2013 @ 10:00pm 
the ONLY reason i dont fully commit to biker surving jackets confrontation is that jacket SEEM to get his head split everywhere....

also jacket is up an running in the sequel w no biker (announced as of yet)
Miraglyth Aug 24, 2013 @ 6:42am 
The man in the Richter mask can't have put the girl in the fridge(?), there's a white outline of where the authorities found her body. I do wonder what the fridge(?) blood was about though. In the intro beforehand you find the producer dude you rescued her from apparently bleeding around it? She does disappear for a while before then and returns when you run into him. Perhaps she was capable of revenge?

If both storylines happen, the two segments that need to be trusted are Jacket's levels from Trauma onwards, and all of Biker's levels. The prisoner in Assault pretty much confirms he killed the girl, and immediately recognises Jacket himself. Between that and the pretty blunt connection made from Jacket's house to the hospital as the introduction of part four (titled Connections), it seems a massive stretch to disregard that as how Jacket got hospitalised.

The girl herself was present a couple of times after the Phonehom fight, along with a couple of changes that were implied to be her doing throughout the game such as a plant, if I recall? If Jacket was put in the hospital before those, it creates a mystery about how he knew they'd be there upon escaping.

Then again, I'm not sure the writers planned for everything to be explainable the way we're speculating. Regardless of everything else, how would Jacket's mental visitor in the Richard mask know he'll never know the whole story? For starters that's predicting the future. For seconds, it's presumably because Biker is finding the truth about 50 Blessings, which Jacket has no clue about.
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BombCarrier Aug 24, 2013 @ 7:05am 
You all make really good points, but I think Biker just might be gone for good. Stay tuned for the Biker Files in this episode of...The Twilight Zone...
Miraglyth Aug 24, 2013 @ 7:40am 
Yeah, there's a really obvious addition to Jacket's house after the Phonehom fight. The laundry basket in the bathroom which Jacket retrieves his clothes from after Trauma. It appears at the same time as the girl's reappearance when you find the producer bleeding in the kitchen.
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