Adepta Sororita Dec 28, 2012 @ 7:25am
The deeper meaning of Hotline Miami (SPOILERS)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AixOBp15KdI
This Video seriously blew my mind.
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Xizor Dec 29, 2012 @ 8:24pm 
This is sweet. Thanks!
OFFLINE Dec 29, 2012 @ 8:54pm 
I was hoping someone would do a video like this, will check it out. Thanks
Urthdigger Dec 29, 2012 @ 9:17pm 
It's an interesting take on it, but I can't help but think he's reading far more into it than the developers did. It MIGHT be a message on gameplay mechanics being ultimately what matters instead of narrative. Or it could just be them focusing primarily on the gameplay and deciding the game didn't need much in the way of narrative, without actually setting forth to give a message about it.

Sometimes a pipe is just a pipe.
Adepta Sororita Dec 31, 2012 @ 6:26am 
That is true Urthdigger, but sometimes a Piece of work achives more then the creator intended.
It can develop a deeper meaning that they intended or had in mind while making it, alony through the decisions they made regarding whow the game should be.
Spiff Dec 31, 2012 @ 8:39am 
I like this interpretation more. I read the "My take on the story, after having unlocked everything and played through 3 times" thread and just laugh that people are trying to make sense of the story. Its confusing just for the sake of being confusing. They even break the 4th wall and say that it was all a game. But people are attached to the "russian-american relations" story even though it sounds like it came straight out of an 90's shoot-'em-up game.

In an odd way. This sorta shows how important stories and narrative are to people. Despite how convoluted and wacky a story is people will still try to make sense of it.
Nuclear_Bomber Dec 31, 2012 @ 12:55pm 
Originally posted by Spiff:
I like this interpretation more. I read the "My take on the story, after having unlocked everything and played through 3 times" thread and just laugh that people are trying to make sense of the story. Its confusing just for the sake of being confusing. They even break the 4th wall and say that it was all a game. But people are attached to the "russian-american relations" story even though it sounds like it came straight out of an 90's shoot-'em-up game.

In an odd way. This sorta shows how important stories and narrative are to people. Despite how convoluted and wacky a story is people will still try to make sense of it.


Is our nature, as humans, we try to find sense in everything
OFFLINE Jan 1, 2013 @ 1:20am 
Finally watched it and I've got to say while this theory sure is interesting I don't think it was intended by the devs at all.
Oook Jan 4, 2013 @ 10:55am 
Ha, it reminds me the last Lynch's films. A game inside a game. Well, many themes of the game come from Lynch's films, such as the dark room with the masks, the premonitions and the phone calls The resemblance with Drive is quite obvious, but I think the points in common with Lynch are far more important. I thought the same that the video says. It's kinda the Inland Empire of videogames, or as in Mulholland Drive, 'this is all recorded'. Once you woke up in the hospital, you've overcome what the masks told you already happened, it's the point of no return, Jacket is Jacket and seeks personal revenge instead of being a comatose's distorsioned memory, even a whole delusion. And then Helmet comes and kill you, all you did never happened. It's great.
As for the 'true' ending, once you resolve the puzzle, I wouldn't say it's meaningless, Hotline Miami 2 has been announced and I guess the plot will continue that way. Or maybe not, maybe we'll be just another guy impelled to kill. Whatever the excuse is, it'll be friggin' awesome.
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daicon Jan 4, 2013 @ 7:00pm 
hey, let's overanalyze some average indie game to ridiculous heights...
Nuclear_Bomber Jan 5, 2013 @ 4:46am 
Originally posted by daicon:
hey, let's overanalyze some average indie game to ridiculous heights...

Lets have fun doing so :D
robbievampire Sep 29, 2013 @ 10:44pm 
People who thinks he is over-analyzing are just dumb. There're just so many clues of what they mean. Also, if you talk to the devs in person, you'd know they want to send some sort of deep message.
Dude Sep 30, 2013 @ 3:19am 
Dest Sep 30, 2013 @ 3:19am 
Originally posted by robbievampire:
People who thinks he is over-analyzing are just dumb. There're just so many clues of what they mean. Also, if you talk to the devs in person, you'd know they want to send some sort of deep message.

Yeah, but, with all their interviews for Wrong Number, it seems like they're not looking at the story farther than two layers deep and are pretty much scratching at emotions and atmosphere rather than anything of Stanely Parable and Yume Nikki levels. But honestly, the Helmet fight and Trauma are so ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ it's kind of hard to tell if they are going that deep or they're indulging in Triple A vidya gaem tropes, because they seem like pretty young dudes and I wouldn't be surprised if a few semi-recent titles inspired something here. I honestly think the guy behind Errant Signal is giving it too much credit, but I'm not ruling out his interpertation.
wlayton27 Jan 18 @ 4:24am 
This discussion reminds me of my original experience playing DOOM. The plot was so minimal, I felt that the lack of story-driven immersion actually enhanced the playing experience. This game sends the same basic message: the players care more about gameplay and aesthetics and less about well-written plotlines.

But I don't agree that it's really true. I love playing Papers, Please not because I'm fascinated by spellchecking names on passports or because the gameplay is intense and satisfying, but because the story is immersive and I feel like I'm a big part of that story. Many other games send the message that a good story arc trumps intense gameplay and they're equally convincing.

I believe that Hotline Miami is only right that gameplay and aesthetics are more important than the story because that's what the game is telling the players. If the game was telling players that puzzle-solving was the best part of a game while including challenging puzzles, the players would receive that message and consider the puzzles the most rewarding part of their gaming experience.

It's almost as if a game creator could intentionally diminish certain aspects of their game in order to draw more attention to what the game does well. For example, intentionally making a game look or sound cheap or retro adds to the game's "charm" (Minecraft) and accentuates the more central elements (role-playing and exploration).
Badgerhunter Jan 20 @ 10:00am 
I thought Jacket was supposed to be crazy as the clerk (and Richard?) tells him that none of what is happening is real and the 3 guys in the masks are supposed to be his split personality as ones nice, ones neutral and the other is hostile and hes imagining all of it. But as the clerk is the same guy and hes nice to him, gives him free stuff but as he goes more insane everything becomes more hostile.
When you play Helmet though that might not work but thats what i thought was happening whilst playing through Jacket's story.
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