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MasterZalm Nov 21, 2013 @ 3:37pm
Its a Demo, not a free to play game
Last thread was locked, not even sure why. I suppose when someone posts something about their game they dont like, they simply lock the thread.

Too bad they cant silence me. This is a demo, not a free to play game. Players are only allowed a portion of the game for free, and the entire game must be purchased. That is not a free to play game, it is a demo.

A free to play game allows access to all functions of the base game. Extras such as dlc and microtransactions can be made available after purchasing but a free to play is an entire game for free. A demo is only a portion of a game, but not the full game, and the rest of the game must be purchased.

Dungeonland only allows access to one of their levels, while the rest of the original game is locked behind a paywall. You cannot ccess the full game until you purchase the game, making this the opposite of a free to play game.
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Bird_the_Word Nov 21, 2013 @ 5:11pm 
yah i notice that alot in these indie games, whats the big deal hiding stuff from us to hose us money if u are bunch of scammers should just stop making video games in general just bad as dam telemarketers or buying stuff on tv not getting your stuff, try call them they skipped town, makers of WARZ are prime example, don't be ♥♥♥♥♥ about your product don't lie to steam just say its not free to play game it be mircotransfer or have price tag later.
[TAW] johnsoma Nov 21, 2013 @ 6:05pm 
People have different definitions of what constitutes a demo and that's what led to the flamewar that closed your last topic and hopefully will close this one too. The exploit that allows anyone to access the other levels without paying renders the entire argument moot anyway. Besides, the only real selling point of this game is the DM mode that comes with the free package.
SuperNoobBox Nov 22, 2013 @ 6:49am 
I agree with you, some portions of the game are locked.
But why did steam put it in Free To Play games? Not arguing just saying.
managerimankeli Nov 22, 2013 @ 7:18pm 
Just because some content isn't available to you AS A HOST does not mean it's a friggin demo (you can join the games of other people hosting DLC content with the free version) . You can still complete everything in the game without paying a cent.

By your logic almost every F2P can be called a demo, as it's entirely arbitrary what constitutes a "function of the base game". Are all extra map, game mode and monster DLCs in a F2P game banned because they mean all "functions of the base game" aren't free? Are you posting the same crap on every F2P RPG's site that sells extra classes or races too, because that's how ridicilous you're being.

Stop whining because the free game isn't giving you even more free stuff.
Kill-Cam Celebrity Nov 23, 2013 @ 2:56pm 
Okay, imagine how you would feel in my case... you bought this newish game, and two months later, it goes f2p. I was pretty angry, until I learned what kind of f2p it is. This might be sort of like a demo, but here's the thing: you have full online access. The only reason that you can't have your whole game handed to you on a silver platter is because of the thousands of people that bought this game that isn't even a year old.

Besides, would you rather have this? Or would you rather "rent out" areas of the park for maestro tickets and pay for one-week ownership of cosmetics for a few dungeon dollars, and exchange USD for those dungeon dollars?

By standards, this is much better than some of the crap you'll find in the steam f2p section, so why don't you just delete this game if you don't like it? Because let me tell you, I paid a nice $10 for this, and I wouldn't want what I paid for turning into some sort of crappy pay2win hard drive fodder that acted as if I hadn't paid a cent.

If you want some "non-demo" material, just delete this and go play more TF2. Of course, hats might not be availible to you readily, so is that a demo too?
MasterZalm Nov 24, 2013 @ 7:27am 
Again, just want to point out that ll the games original base content, the standard game content isnt avialabale to all playyers unless they purchase the game. Mabe you feel that a game is free simply because the company says so, but I'm not so easily swayed.

If a compay says their game is fre, then it should be free. I should not have to pay for content that is in their base game. The original game. They can charge me for non functional game attributes, like cosmetic upgrades, and extras slots, but when they literally do not allow me access to some of the standard game content, its not a free game.

When a game offers you any amount of their game for free, but makes you purchase the rest of it, no matter how small, that isnt a full free to play game., its a demo.
Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Joshua Kurayami Nov 24, 2013 @ 8:07am 
Originally posted by SuperNoobBox:
I agree with you, some portions of the game are locked.
But why did steam put it in Free To Play games? Not arguing just saying.

Because the game itself was originally on sale, but turned into f2p this month
Last edited by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Joshua Kurayami; Nov 24, 2013 @ 8:07am
MasterZalm Nov 24, 2013 @ 10:14am 
Originally posted by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Joshua Kurayami:
Originally posted by SuperNoobBox:
I agree with you, some portions of the game are locked.
But why did steam put it in Free To Play games? Not arguing just saying.

Because the game itself was originally on sale, but turned into f2p this month

Its not really free to play though. Thats the point. Parts of the game are locked to players unless they buy the game.
ihazcarrot™ Nov 24, 2013 @ 11:06pm 
Originally posted by MasterZalm:
Originally posted by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Joshua Kurayami:

Because the game itself was originally on sale, but turned into f2p this month

Its not really free to play though. Thats the point. Parts of the game are locked to players unless they buy the game.

Let me put it like this. Example : Runescape is free to play. Parts of the game ( huge ammount of it) are locked to free to play users. And you can't access that in anyway possible. Here you can actually access it if a host owns the dlc. And some people bought it so it wouldn't be quite fair to them if everything was free. Also this game was in charity sites like Humble bundle for 1 $ and less so...


MasterZalm Nov 25, 2013 @ 2:07pm 
Price doesnt make a difference. I dont consider runescape a free to play game, and honestly, after talking to a decent amount of fellow gamers across multiple site and forums, none of them consider Runescape a free to play title as well. It seems the ONLY people whoe really consider Runescape a free to play game are the crators of Runescape themselves.

Thats like me putting out a crappy line of cneakers and calling them better than Air Jordans. No one else will consider them better, but I can scream it as 'fact' until I'm blue in the face. Its not going to make it any more true.

The same applies to this game and Runescape. They can call it free all they like, but it you cannot access the original games content without SOMEONE purchasing it, then its not a free to play game.

Thats the key issue, a free to play game means its free for everyone, not for some. If no one bought content from Dungeonland, then no one would have access to the content. SOMEONE has to purchase the content, making this game pay to play in some fashion. The same applies to every single free to play game. There is no other free to play game that has been brought to light that actually cuts of part of the original games content aside from Runescape and this game. If 99.9% of free to play games follow a similar pricing structure, and .1% do not, then that .1% is outside of the free to play standard and thus should not be considered free to play.
poperboy Nov 27, 2013 @ 7:10pm 
I actually agree with MasterZalm. Every "f2p" game (or freemium) has all of the ORIGINAL content unlocked and then you can buy any EXTRA content that came after the release of the game (DLC). What they're doing here is a sham. Labeling it as "FREE TO PLAY" when in actuallity it's just a demo. When were demos relabeled as free to play games? Make this a TRUE free to play game and then add extra content that people have to buy. Don't lure people in with a fake label.
Kuehnau Nov 28, 2013 @ 2:00am 
He, he, I just saw this on Steam tonight when I was browsing the F2P games section. Imagaine how surprised I was when I ♥♥♥♥ING PREORDERED this garbage and now it's free to play.

There are multiple ways I see a F2P model work:

1.) Content is locked off, but can be slowly gained by in-game rewards, or bought for instant access.

2.) Most if not all of the content is free, but the game makes money with in-game cash shop for bonuses and extra rewards.

3.) A combination of the above two.

If the game only offers a single level, requiring you to buy everything else in advanced, then I call that a demo, not a free to play game. But keep in mind, even before this game was released the developers were talking about working on DLC, so this doesn't come as a surprise.

I had super high expectations for this game when it was announced, there was a lot of hype behind it and when I finally did get access to my pre-order, it was a massive failure. Shoddy programming, bad AI for when you didn't have enough friends, super repetetive game-play, laggy online sessions, the list was super long and in the amount of time I waited, the developers NEVER fixed these issues.

If it's one thing I learned, I'll NEVER support these guys again.
poperboy Nov 28, 2013 @ 5:55am 
Even in the store page it says:

Buy Dungeonland - All Access Pass
Includes the full game with access to all stages

"Includes the full game". That's like admiting it's a demo.
MasterZalm Nov 28, 2013 @ 6:33am 
I'm just glad to see that there are other people who see the trend, know the standard, and know that a game like this isnt a free game. Others might insult you, but when it comes down to it, they have no other games they can list that play out like this game.

If 1-2 games call themselves free to play when the majority of other games offer all their content and these two games do not offer all their content, you cannot call the exceptions part of the whole.
MasterZalm Nov 30, 2013 @ 2:24pm 
Still curious if they are ever making this game free to play, or placing it in its proper location in the steam store. No word from steam aside that they are looking into the issue.
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