BIT.TRIP Presents... Runner2: Future Legend of Rhythm Alien
z'/aw.e;jg,sc/'p'er[' 2013年1月29日下午8:37
Old vs. New
Introduction
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I was a HUGE fan of the BIT.TRIP series, and still am to this day. One thing that's stopping me from getting BIT.TRIP Runner 2 is the artstyle. I honestly don't like the over-complicated sprites that could have been so much simpler than they were. I enjoyed the series because I was expecting a retro-new school mix, and that's what I got. Stunning visuals in the background, music that seems to change eras as you reach new levels of awesome fart trails, and, most importantly, keeping the game up to its name. BIT.TRIP. BIT .TRIP. Where are the bits?

Graphics (oh, joy!)
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This may seem like a minor thing, but, really, making Commander Video pixelated was one of the best moves in video game history. In a time where we can replicate graphics to the point where they're almost scarily realistic (take Crysis 2, for instance), bringing back the retro feel to a game whilst still implementing more smooth, streamlined, and dare I say, realistic graphics. Just in the background, not the game itself.

Gameplay and Expectations
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The gameplay between the two games hardly changes, jump over obstacles, duck under them, etc., except there's new actions, new obstacles, new mechanics... Yeah. I get it. Sometimes you just have to take a step forward, but if you're expecting BIT.TRIP and you get Super Mario Bros., the game will disappoint. It'll still be a good game, just not what you would expect. The similarities are, by all means, right in your face, but the game feel isn't the same. BIT. TRIP is a simple but entertaining game. That's enough to be said. That's pretty cool, but the major amounts of changes between both games makes BIT.TRIP Runner 2 feel a little bit (no pun intended) out of place. I only wish there was a different series for something so not BIT.TRIP

Thank you for reading this rant, although I seriously doubt this will be taken into consideration professionally. Either way, it would be nice to find people with similar feelings towards this somewhat touchy subject. I know the creators are just trying to "move up", but going mainstream just may not be the way to go.

From one gamer to the next,
๖ۣۜBrackMonkey
最后由 z'/aw.e;jg,sc/'p'er[' 编辑于; 2013年2月11日下午11:49
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Blake 2013年1月31日下午5:17 
I don't see how improving graphics make a game "mainstream" and even if it did make BIT.TRIP mainstream, is that really a bad thing? Bringing more audience to an indie game is always good, especially since I know so many people that complan about a game having crappy graphics so they never want to play it.

Sure, looking "retro" has it's charm, but enough is enough. Too many games are just going for the nostalgia feel to it, and it is being taken as developers being lazy. I'm not saying this is always the case, but a lot of people feel that way, although I don't usually agree with it.

Personally, I think it's perfectly fine that the devs want to take the next step. In BIT.TRIP.RUNNER the first, sometimes the foreground meshed with the background because of how simple the graphics were. I obviously loved the original, but with all the upgrades in this next one, I feel it will have me coming back to play it way more than the first.

Simplicity has it's charm, but I for one with BIT.TRIP.RUNNER the original was left wanting more, even though I did play over 10 hours of it. So I personally am really excited for the sequel.
DNI 2013年2月5日上午5:11 
Lets keep in mind what makes a game good or bad to start with. That is gameplay. This games play will be the same if not a little better than the last. If you are upset about better or worse graphics then you're prob more of a hipster gamer than a true gamer.

As for the art style they said they did it that way because the whole game is a dream and is to look a bit off from how the "real world" of bit trip runner looks. And imo it looks better as you can tell the foreground and background apart more in this game than the 1st. Witch was probably the only complaint I would have with the 1st game at all.
Hannibal's Leftovers 2013年2月6日下午6:35 
New graphics are the only reason Im buying this. I know some people love the 8 bit 16 bit stuff but I dont pay thousands for PC upgrades to play 90's graphics. I get the whole nostalgia thing, but its overdone already. The sooner we move on from this trend the better. Low bit games are not nostalgic, they're just lazy development.
Blake 2013年2月7日下午2:43 
Looks like a huge improvement of #1.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFmMK9m0uI0
最后由 Blake 编辑于; 2013年2月8日上午10:52
Raph 2013年2月7日下午6:27 
This in not mainstream. I haven't played all that many games that are similar to this. I like more detailed graphics, and this game still has the challenge retro bonus levels! Just for you (not really). I tried not to be biased, but it is my opinion ;)
Wally 2013年2月9日上午6:55 
This game is seperate to the bit trip series they really liked bit trip runner so they desided to make a totaly different game but in relation to it... dont you notice the game says Bit.Trip presents....Runner 2
Jack Frost 2013年2月9日下午12:05 
While I don't agree with your reasons I don't dig the art style either.

Hopefully with the new graphics I won't get the motion sickness the first one gave me(the swaying of the levels and the ghosting on my screen made it really hard for my eyes)
Oh Noes 2013年2月11日下午4:10 
Thx for posting the vid Blake, I'm starting to like the new artstyle and the gameplay looks really good. Too bad the video didn't show any retro bonus levels.
z'/aw.e;jg,sc/'p'er[' 2013年2月12日上午12:07 
引用自 Blake
I don't see how improving graphics make a game "mainstream"
I'm just saying that, while all these big companies are trying to make "revolutionary new graphics" or "Blast Processing" on their games and consoles (eww, consoles ), it might just be a good idea to sit back after a round of hardcore rocket jumping, plug in your NES and slap in a Megaman or Metroid cartridge and just sit back and play the game that you've played a million times but have to play a million and one. Then, all of a sudden, BAM. A new game on your PC that you can experience the same way (Cave Story, BIT.TRIP series, to name two) as you did in the 90s? Hell yeah, I think the line of repetetive, uninspired line of renamed games handed down from one overrated company to the next (looking at you, Call of Duty) is finally at an end. Then, after reliving the bout of choldish glee you just experienced, you can look forward and say, "There's nothing but blue skies, green grass, and crystal-clear ponds to look forward to." Then, the "new, updated graphics" come back with the "revolutionary new gameplay" to remind you how few designers actually realize what is more precious. Then a sequel. It's pretty nice, except...
...except for your main character.
Oh, okay.
Don't get me wrong, there are some things good and bad about mainstream games, for example, constant updates, more vast communities, and more up-to-date technology, but sometimes it's good just to forget about that.
BIT.TRIP Runner will stay the only BIT.TRIP Runner for me, and I'm grateful for that, at least.
最后由 z'/aw.e;jg,sc/'p'er[' 编辑于; 2013年2月12日上午12:08
Blake 2013年2月14日下午7:31 
引用自 ๖ۣۜBrackMonkey
引用自 Blake
I don't see how improving graphics make a game "mainstream"
I'm just saying that, while all these big companies are trying to make "revolutionary new graphics" or "Blast Processing" on their games and consoles (eww, consoles ), it might just be a good idea to sit back after a round of hardcore rocket jumping, plug in your NES and slap in a Megaman or Metroid cartridge and just sit back and play the game that you've played a million times but have to play a million and one. Then, all of a sudden, BAM. A new game on your PC that you can experience the same way (Cave Story, BIT.TRIP series, to name two) as you did in the 90s? Hell yeah, I think the line of repetetive, uninspired line of renamed games handed down from one overrated company to the next (looking at you, Call of Duty) is finally at an end. Then, after reliving the bout of choldish glee you just experienced, you can look forward and say, "There's nothing but blue skies, green grass, and crystal-clear ponds to look forward to." Then, the "new, updated graphics" come back with the "revolutionary new gameplay" to remind you how few designers actually realize what is more precious. Then a sequel. It's pretty nice, except...
...except for your main character.
Oh, okay.
Don't get me wrong, there are some things good and bad about mainstream games, for example, constant updates, more vast communities, and more up-to-date technology, but sometimes it's good just to forget about that.
BIT.TRIP Runner will stay the only BIT.TRIP Runner for me, and I'm grateful for that, at least.

If you really only play games for the graphics, you should really stop gaming. So far the only review for Runner 2 gave it 9/10. I'm very excited for it, looks like a complete upgrade. When I feel like those old 8 bit games, that's what I do. I plug in my NES, SNES, or N64 (I know all of those aren't 8 bit, but you know). Not all mainstream games are bad, considering you can only name Call of Duty. Sure, games like Halo, CoD, and Battlefield are all becomming stale because it's the same thing over and over again, but you shouldn't let that tarnish all mainstream games. It just sounds like the whole hipster thing when you only want to play indie games saying all mainstream games suck.

It also seems to me that you're saying just because Runner 2 is upgrading the graphics, you think that they didn't spend as much time on the gameplay. I suggest you watch the video I posted.

Edit:
You could also argue that the whole "retro" indie games are becomming repetitive too.
最后由 Blake 编辑于; 2013年2月15日下午3:00
Xalugami 2013年2月16日上午11:14 
First time on these new-fangled SteamApp-based Community forums... Here goes.

I have to admit, I was pretty bummed that they swapped out those awesome retro graphics for the new 3D style, which came completely out of left field to me. I kept looking at it like it was a bad thing since BIT.TRIP was doing perfectly fine with those crisp pixels. As time passed while they were tinkering with the game, getting shown all those Art Friday assets & the likes, I started getting used to it. It's adding more depth to the BIT.TRIP world (quite literally) and allowing more people to become interested in it. The Storyline is so much of an excuse that I can't help but laugh & chalk it up to one of my favorite plot-lines (Reality Unfusion Beam... yep, works for me lol).

The new graphics are done perfectly in my opinion (after the initial reaction of course)- It captures the wackiness of the game, mixes it in with a dose of SatAM cartoon style art, and (though not related to the art) the narration just brings it all together.

There are Retro levels & a BIT.TRIP RUNNER costume for Commander Video (maybe... it looks like it from Northernlion's video though), but if those aren't enough to satisfy any retro RUNNER-style gameplay (which I doubt since Runner2 is a pure upgrade overall) BIT.TRIP RUNNER is sitting right there on my Library/Wii/3DS/WiiWare to cure that.

Though not ideal for fans of the style since BEAT released, the BIT.TRIP series HAS ended in FLUX and its time to let the amazingly awesome people at Gaijin Games start to spread their rainbow-inspired wings and grow. We don't know if they revisit the retro graphics style again. If they do, then we'll be welcoming it; If they don't, we still have the BIT.TRIP series waiting for us to replay. Waiting for us to finish BEAT without WiiMote controls. To make it to the last boss of Growth. To get beat to a pulp because the mouse isn't as precise as tilt. That stupid other paddle... gosh darn him.

Anyways... Have an open mind. It's hard to accept a change when you always look at the change with negativity. Runner2 looks like it will be game of the year on my list hands down.
Hopefully you can get over the graphics too.
Poisony 2013年2月17日上午10:53 
You know, OP, I've felt almost the same way the first time I've saw Runner 2. As someone who lived the end of the Atari Age and the beginning of the 8-bit era, I can't help loving what Gaijin does with the BIT.TRIP saga, referencing Atari graphics (giant pixels), Pong, Pitfall and all that great retro style from Activision games' covers (specially with that rainbow trail Commander Video leaves and all).

However, I think we're ready to see some changes. As someone already pointed out, the name of the game starts with "BIT.TRIP Presents", so it's more of another story being told here. Personally, I think the art style still looks pretty retro, even with the graphic update and all. BIT.TRIP.RUNNER already used 3D polygons for some elements on the background to generate those gorgeous pixel art, so it doesn't feel like a decision to appeal to the mainstream audience. The mainstream will keep playing CoD, Gears and Halo like before. If they haven't played BIT.TRIP.RUNNER, they wouldn't be looking forward to Runner 2 anyway.

tl;dr: I understand your point, but changes are always welcome.
Mr.mp379 2013年2月22日下午2:50 
if you are a big fan of the first game and still are then why would you not buy the sequeal? so what if the graphics are different the gameplay is going to be the same even though it will have a different feel added to it.
thejokeriswild 2013年2月25日上午1:51 
Y'know, I was a bit hesitant about the graphical update as well.... but now that I've actually played it (I won a code in a contest that gave me early access) I can safely say it's FREAKING AWESOME! It's just like the 1st one, there's a few new moves, such as being able to slide and jump between narrow gaps, and sometimes you have to kick at an enemy in the air, stuff like that, but it's every bit of the game as the 1st one is. The music, the graphics, and, most importantly, the GAMEPLAY are all stellar imo and it's a really hard game to stop playing!
Uh Oh! 2013年2月25日下午8:57 
This game looks fantastic, and if you can't enjoy it because the graphics don't look antequated enough, I feel somewhat sorry for you.
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