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bitterman0 Dec 25, 2012 @ 11:08am
Decreasing gun control increases violent crime?
Thanks, I'll pass on this propaganda piece.
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CommissarRotke Dec 26, 2012 @ 10:05am 
um...seriously? You need to go read some actual statistics. The UK banned all handguns and violent crime rates have skyrocketed, with each going up at least 20%.
SpartanMcGee88 Dec 26, 2012 @ 5:24pm 
Originally posted by CommissarRotke:
um...seriously? You need to go read some actual statistics. The UK banned all handguns and violent crime rates have skyrocketed, with each going up at least 20%.
also the courts failing to convict criminals, it's a joke really.
Loli 28 Dec 26, 2012 @ 8:49pm 
The UK has higher crime rates but lower gun crime.
TurtleShroom Dec 27, 2012 @ 6:06am 
I agree. The United Kingdom's gun ban increased the crime rate dramatically, with the only thing to show was that gun violence nearly ceased to exist.

The USA only has seventy five percent of violent crimeas as the UK, and we stop nearly two hundred thousand potential violent crimes with our guns a year.

However, one of the greatest things about Democracy II is how easy it is to mod. I swear on my Internet connection that I'd edit the gun law into accuracy if I could.

Mainly, that it would decrease statistics like Lynch Mob and Organized Crime (so on and so on), but would be an unforgivable destruction to the Liberal demographic, greatly increasing their rage and, like in the USA, simultaneously creating more of them.
Nypheria Dec 27, 2012 @ 7:43am 
Goes to prove people will use anything around them if they want to kill someone.
jjm319 Dec 29, 2012 @ 4:30pm 
It changes things a bit but dosent hlep that much. I find it better to change other things. In the united states banning guns get teh conservatives and patriots coming after you and you wont last long.
Snowdog Dec 30, 2012 @ 6:40am 
Firearms deaths have risen in the UK since handguns have been banned, from about 8 a year to about 50.

If you take into account the population diffence between the UK and the USA the firearms deaths would be about 250 a year.

Bear in mind that of the 30,000 firearms offences that occur in the UK include, air guns, BB guns and immitation firearms. Thes make up the majority of the figure. Firearms being discharged and causing injury or death are very rare.

In the first decade of this century only 3 police officers in England and Wales were killed by firearms.

Knife crime deaths are abour 80 a year in the UK.

Gun crime is an area that I have deeply researched, I have found that there are a lot of mostruths out there. For example the saying that 'every man in Switzerland has a gun and they have the lowest firearms offence rate in the world.'

Only men up to 30 have a gun and the ammo is kept in depots, not at home. Also their gun rate is actually 21st in the world.

Having said all of that gun ownership in the USA is a very different thing indeed. It is a part of the culture and considered by over 70% of the population to be a right.

Americans will not lose their rights to own firearms, at most they will have restrictions placed on assault weapons, but personally I find this unlekely.

Although I am British and love living in a country with very low gun crime, especially the part of the country I live in. Yet the USA is a very different country. The people choose to be armed and being a democracy of sorts that is right that what the people want is represented. Here in the UK most people do not want guns, and that is represented. Even our police rarely carry firearms.

Different countries, different peoples, different solutions.

What works in one country will not necessarily work in another.
mghop Dec 31, 2012 @ 10:27pm 
They should have added more to this. I feel if you lower gun control (in game) violent crime will decrease but increase gun kills. Also random events could happen depending on your laws like slaughters and cause outcry for diffrent laws.
Exceloid Jan 5, 2013 @ 7:24am 
Originally posted by Snowdog:
Firearms deaths have risen in the UK since handguns have been banned, from about 8 a year to about 50.

If you take into account the population diffence between the UK and the USA the firearms deaths would be about 250 a year.

Bear in mind that of the 30,000 firearms offences that occur in the UK include, air guns, BB guns and immitation firearms. Thes make up the majority of the figure. Firearms being discharged and causing injury or death are very rare.

In the first decade of this century only 3 police officers in England and Wales were killed by firearms.

Knife crime deaths are abour 80 a year in the UK.

Gun crime is an area that I have deeply researched, I have found that there are a lot of mostruths out there. For example the saying that 'every man in Switzerland has a gun and they have the lowest firearms offence rate in the world.'

Only men up to 30 have a gun and the ammo is kept in depots, not at home. Also their gun rate is actually 21st in the world.

Having said all of that gun ownership in the USA is a very different thing indeed. It is a part of the culture and considered by over 70% of the population to be a right.

Americans will not lose their rights to own firearms, at most they will have restrictions placed on assault weapons, but personally I find this unlekely.

Although I am British and love living in a country with very low gun crime, especially the part of the country I live in. Yet the USA is a very different country. The people choose to be armed and being a democracy of sorts that is right that what the people want is represented. Here in the UK most people do not want guns, and that is represented. Even our police rarely carry firearms.

Different countries, different peoples, different solutions.

What works in one country will not necessarily work in another.

Brilliant, I think you need to speak to the liberal bunch over here.
Snowdog Jan 5, 2013 @ 8:08am 
I have learnt that British Liberals are very different to American Liberals.

Every playthrough I have had playing the USA I have become very unpopular with Liberals. I have been popular with the poor, workers and the middle class in particular.
Energist Jan 22, 2013 @ 6:11pm 
Originally posted by bitterman0:
Thanks, I'll pass on this propaganda piece.

Since when is truth prapaganda?
Last edited by Energist; Jan 22, 2013 @ 6:12pm
Tenzek Feb 23, 2013 @ 12:01pm 
Originally posted by Snowdog:
Having said all of that gun ownership in the USA is a very different thing indeed. It is a part of the culture and considered by over 70% of the population to be a right.

Just a comment on that statement - you mean 70% of the population think it *should* be a right. It is a constitutional right at this time. There's no valid disagreement on the fact that it's a constitutional right. That has been debated and ruled upon officially

In order to change it, we'd have to amend the constitution again to clarify the second amendment so that the Supreme Court's ruling on it would no longer be valid.

So to sum it up, the debate lies on if the fact that it is currently a right should be changed, not if it is actually a right.
Snowdog Feb 24, 2013 @ 11:18am 
I think this might be a language and cultural difference. I'll try and translate what I said from English to American. Meanings between the languages can be quite different. I married an American so I have had some fun with learning these differences. :)

Anyway here goes.

To say they think that it should be a right is an interpretation, although not exactly what I meant. But is probably closest I could get to what it would mean in American.

English has far more words, meanings and expressions than American, and sometimes a direct translation is very difficult to convey. Our lingo can be hard for Americans to suss and can come across like a load of ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ at times.
DirtyHoeTel Mar 25, 2013 @ 11:52pm 
Our kid should have gun when they go to school, so they will have the right tool to stop ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ kid who want to kill everyone in the school
StefanK Mar 29, 2013 @ 10:38pm 
Correlation does not equal causality is Statistics 101, but also the most common error non-statisticians make when considering data. And this is based on entirely flawed data in any case - the UK's violent crime rate is at an all-time low

Part of the issue is the meaning of the term 'violent crime' itself - it's interpreted differently in the US and the UK. For instance, in the UK, "possession of an article with a blade or point" is recorded as a violent crime. So it's disingenuous to do a straight reading of figures and present it as evidence.

Fact is, while I agree that some of the cause-and-effect in this game is a bit odd, you're using a mixture of misguided conclusions and outright lies to make a politically-biased dig, and hysterically accusing others of a contrary bias where none is displayed.

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