Yorioto Jul 17, 2013 @ 5:21am
Bad story and voice acting hinder this game.
I payed a small amount for this game during the Steam Summer Sale, so there's not much to complain about since I got quite a few hours out of it. But there are two major standout moments that really irk me. The first one is that the shopkeep is called Shoppy. For reals? Shoppy? It could have been Molley, or Gophy or whatever, I'm not asking for Tolkien here, but Shoppy is just weird and lazy. The second thing is that several times per game I hear "some day they're going to make a game about this day," or something like that. This kind of self-referential humor doesn't fly. Being self-referential is bad practice to begin with, unless you're a master of it and your game still holds up, but as a general rule it should be avoided, especially when you hear the same dumb phrase over and over.
So what happened developers? Was all this voice acting and story time added at the last minute? Because frankly I don't really need anything else besides Dinosaurs want BBQ and you need to stop them. Just things like "locked and loaded with rocks" and "let's put these dino's on ice" when you place the turrets would have been fine.
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Sebastian Peril Jul 17, 2013 @ 6:15am 
You are genuninely complaining about the name of the shop keeper in a children's game? Wow.
Yorioto Jul 17, 2013 @ 7:56am 
I don't consider this a children's game per se, just like I don't consider a Pixar movie to be a children's movie. There's a way to make media geared towards younger audiences that doesn't completely insult an adult's sensibilities. Saying that only children will play this and therefore they get a pass on stupidity is simply an awful argument to make. If you do have this attitude, then your IP will remain on the bottom instead of at the top.
Sebastian Peril Jul 17, 2013 @ 8:03am 
I didn't say only children will play this (I've played a good few hours now), but you can't claim it is anything but aimed at children. Everything about it's presentation makes that pretty obvious to a person with eyes
Yorioto Jul 17, 2013 @ 8:25am 
I see what you mean, but aiming at a demographic is just that, an aim. If you completely forgo any process of assessing quality from an adult perspective, you end up diminishing your product. Good children's entertainment also appeals to adults in unexpected ways. Look at Disney/Pixar, The Muppets, My Little Pony, Spongebob, just to name a few. These things have either high production value or have some adult jokes or both. I bought this game and I'm 25. Other people on Steam bought it and I doubt 5-10 year olds are writing guides and posting videos except in some rare cases. The press is writing about this game and they are adults. In other words, plenty of totally not children are playing this game.
Added to this is the fact that this is by the studio who made Slam Bolt Scrappers, which isn't particularly a kids game. Nowhere on the Fire Hose website or the Go Home Dinosaurs website does it indicate that this is a game specially made for kids or that it is a studio aiming at particular demographics.
It is completely fair to assess the merits of the vocal and narrative elements of the game from the perspective of an adult, just as the TD gameplay has to be up to the standards of at least intermediate TD players. Voice acting is a big deal for me in games and I will forego certain games because of terrible voice acting, so it is a particular gripe of mine. It's just that most gamers don't think about this stuff, and that's why I bring it to the discussion board.
Kite Drachen Jul 27, 2013 @ 4:53am 
I didn't get the feeling at all that they were self-referencing their game. Well, I mean, it didn't throw off my gameplay experience. When I first heard it, I got a chuckle out of it. I took it as the gophers saying it the same way people say "One day, people will make a song about this day!", only in this case, they said "game".

This game is full of silly puns & play on words. For example, the Snowflake Sentry sometimes says, "I see dinos... Get it? Icey dinos??", which is a reference of The Sixth Sense. The Stump Gunner says, "This is my stump! There are many like it, but this one is MINE!", which is the Rifleman's Creed. Even getting the Fire Ball powerup, your gopher will yell, "Hadoken!!" referencing Street Fighter. There's many many others. Including your favorite character, Shoppy, making a Skyrim joke. =P

I think Shoppy is a play on words as well. He's the Shop Keeper, as well as old. So it's a mix of Grand-Pappy + Shop Keeper. It does feel a bit lazy, but I think that's alright since you don't spend much time in the shop. Once you buy all the powerups, costumes, & possibly Veggie Mode you never have to go back unless you want to switch costumes.

I think this game isn't aimed directly at kids, but adults too. It's described a lot as a "family" game. It's simple & goofy for kids, but has references for adults to enjoy as well. It also isn't too complex of a Tower Defense game, but can be challenging at times.

I might be a bit biased since I love puns & dinosaurs, but I understand your point, Yorioto. ^^
Yorioto Jul 27, 2013 @ 10:14am 
Thanks Kite. I got the references, though they actually make things a bit worse. The references would only really be known to adults since those movies are old now, so not at all to kids. I love puns (and dinosaurs), as long as they're clever. The Internet age has left us thinking that referencing a thing is funny by itself, without satire, parody, or comment whatsoever. The Skyrim reference you mentioned is particularly egregious; a cold reference and nothing else, leaving me feeling queasy because of how lazy it was. As far as Shoppy being absolved for not being in the picture too often, I have to object. If you deal with any character at all, there should be at least an hour of thought put into him, otherwise scrap him altogether.

You're not biased towards anything Kite, you simply like something and that's that. I'm saying that I really wanted to like it as much as you did, because the premise seemed silly and goofy and I was looking forward to that. Instead I got a bad taste in my mouth, which is what led me to ask what had happened here.
tdc Aug 2, 2013 @ 4:29pm 
I agree entirely Yorito. I found all these things you've mentioned to do nothing but detract from the game. If the developer is considering a sequel [which I would buy and probably enjoy] I hope they put less of an emphasis on poor "jokes" if they could even be called that, and maybe more on some dino sound effects or a better soundtrack something...
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