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gamebrainz Aug 3, 2013 @ 3:55pm
Anyone else feeling a little disappointed with the story?
There won't be any major spoilers for Zeno CLash 2 in this discussion so no worries (Zeno Clash 1...perhaps, no promises)

I felt somewhat disappointed due to the direction the story took in Zeno Clash 2 compared to the original game. While I haven't finished the game, I feel the events of the second game (atleast from what I've seen) have undermined the events of the first game, making them seem unimportant to the story at all. For example, Zeno Clash focuses on the mystery behind Father-Mother, and why Ghat has killed him-her. Now, the first chapter in Zeno Clash 2 has Ghat doing the exact opposite, saving Father-Mother....After the events of the first game, this seems out of character, and in fact, all of the characters seem to act as if the events of the first game never even happened! I'm not sure if it's just me, however I feel this game is somewhat lacking in story compared to the first. Can anyone let me know if the story gets better (preferably no spoilers) or perhaps explain the odd changes in some of the character? Perhaps I missed something!
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Cupboard-Nose Aug 3, 2013 @ 4:39pm 
I loved the story in ZC2, emphatically. It goes into a lot of depth about the nature of the world, and i think the character relationships are gradually put into perspective as other things become clearer.
[ACE] cbordeu  [developer] Aug 3, 2013 @ 8:35pm 
I'm confused that you think the characters are ignoring the events of ZC1... I have to ask if you did finish ZC1, because Ghat saving FM makes perfect sense and is a natural progression after the events of the original game.

Anyways, the saving of FM from prison is a tiny part of the story. It isn't about that. Play along and you'll see.

Edit: In our forums we have this really extensive thread about the story, its themes and more subtle details. You might be interested in reading through it once you beat the game.

http://forums.aceteam.cl/index.php?showtopic=3724
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sere Aug 17, 2013 @ 11:09am 
The emergence of the golem radically changed the zenos' reality. Several relationships were redefined, most of all the relationships between ghat and golem and ghat and fathermother - when compared to the first game. The plot, however, was always fresh. It took the story into some heady territory and still managed to converge the elements into a very exciting outcome by end-game.

The writing remained at all times conscious and true to its goal of accomplishing delivering something original. You won't find standard crutch use of cliches or overabundance of recycled, 'by-the-book' devices.

If you feel like you are missing pieces of the story then spend time hunting the tablets later in the game. There is enough supplimental reading material to hook you in if you like that sort of thing. Keep in mind, though, many questions will naturally remain unanswered at this point because the game ends while still free falling from climax. Closure is by no means achieved and a third game will be needed if players are to cross end-world. Still, so much aura of mystery had been cultivated when decyphering the origins of zenozoik that it couldn't be all be spent by end of ZC2. I could argue that it feels like ghat's story is truly just beginning should he decide to cross worlds or fully pursue the foundation and reason for golems.

IMO, this was the most satisfying sequel when it comes to progressing the characters and world from the first entry while also steering the plot into nearly unguessible directions that always "win".

p.s. try and get your hands on the artbook or visit the ACE forums. they did an outstanding job when crafting the zenozoik world. plenty of it exists outside the confines of the 2 zeno clash games. there are impressions of ghat in the artbook you wouldn't necessarily notice in the games. you can encounter other tid-bits in some of the thread discussions as well.
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Adolf Stalin Aug 22, 2013 @ 3:29am 
It's more satysfying and less enigmatical from the first ending and leaves huge possibilities for the third part.
Sweetz Aug 29, 2013 @ 8:14pm 
I'm not dissapointed at all, quite the opposite. They significantly deepened the backstory of the world in ways that I did not expect after the relatively simplistic story in ZC1. I was off put a little in the first hour or so of the game (which is what the OP seems to be based on), but pleasantly surprised with where it went after that.
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♫TGC> The Gnomic Capripede Sep 3, 2013 @ 10:30am 
I actually wonder what kind of golems will wreak havoc in the next sequel...

As for saving Father-Mother;
I get the idea it's more Rimat's choice than Ghat's, however he seems to go along with it because he's against Kax-Teh, the golem, and his "oppression" with enforcers and prisons and other things unheard of by the Zenos. Basically the guy just arrived, and tries to radically change everything and boss everyone around.
Saving Father-Mother is more or less just a way to oppose the golem and as far as Ghat is concerned the lesser of 2 evils.

And don't worry, the story gets better onwards.
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sere Sep 4, 2013 @ 11:02pm 
Originally posted by ♫TGC> The Grimey Condor:
I actually wonder what kind of golems will wreak havoc in the next sequel...

As for saving Father-Mother;
I get the idea it's more Rimat's choice than Ghat's, however he seems to go along with it because he's against Kax-Teh, the golem, and his "oppression" with enforcers and prisons and other things unheard of by the Zenos. Basically the guy just arrived, and tries to radically change everything and boss everyone around.
Saving Father-Mother is more or less just a way to oppose the golem and as far as Ghat is concerned the lesser of 2 evils.

And don't worry, the story gets better onwards.

Your summary overlooks ghat's personal sense of justice, which he acts upon very much differently than if here were merely choosing the lesser of 2 evils. He is not simply opposing the golem but reaffirming his own system, already defined before ever setting foot into end-world.

It was the defined and established sense of justice that motivated ghat in the first place throughout the story of ZC1. It can be said that in ZC2 he is following through.

You have to take the whole of justice as percieved by ghat, rimat, north golem, as well as south golem. Additionally, there is the end-game attitude of fathermother during the conclusions of south golem's "testing phases". It's necessary to make a composite of the idea as formed by each character's view alongside the more obvious contrasts.

Ghat and Rimat were conveniently acting within the same course of means but not necessarily for the same end.

Every corwid has a crucial and unique absurdity at the heart of their modus (and sense of justice), ghat is no different but his has a more special role to play in the north golem's definition of society. Rimat simply wishes to uphold and realize her family.
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♫TGC> The Gnomic Capripede Sep 5, 2013 @ 11:42am 
Yeah, there's probably more to it. :/ hmmz, kind of been a long while since I played ZC1 too.

But absurd justice is right; he'd go to the end of the world and back to get rid of Father-Mother because of kidnapping and raising them as his own children. Yet he doesn't really seem to care about who his real parents are, just that thát guy was an imposter.

Basically after Father-Mother's crime has been exposed and defeated, he's got nothing more against the guy, his justice is served. Although the rest of the town still bears a grudge.
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LagMan_pt Sep 5, 2013 @ 11:58am 
I like how people solve their diferences in zeno world, kicking the crap out of each other. :D
Vincent Oct 21, 2013 @ 2:02pm 
No.
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