Total War: ROME II - Emperor Edition

Total War: ROME II - Emperor Edition

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was the greek empire ever as big as rome was?
and what was the leading city/thing? like how rome is the leader in all it owns

like in the god of war series, when was that in realations tho this games tim period? and did latin culture and religeion only come after greeks?

please and thanks
Last edited by ZEEK (Trained Navy Seal); Jul 26, 2014 @ 5:33pm
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Captain_Jozef Jul 26, 2014 @ 5:34pm 
I think under Alexander it was almost as big as the Roman Empire, but I don't think Athens or Antioch ever reached the importance or significence as Rome did.
Nessuno66 Jul 26, 2014 @ 5:55pm 
Technically, Greece (Hellas) was a bunch of politically independent city states from around 1k BCE to the 300s BCE. In the latter period, the Kingdom of Macedonia swept down and conquered the once powerful city states in what is today modern Greece after they had nearly destroyed themselves through infighting. That was Alexander the Great´s father.

Alexander inherited a united Greece, under Macedon so technically a Macedonian Empire, and an army of heavy infantry and cavalry. After coming to power and suppressing a rebellion from the Greek city states he took his army East and conquered Egypt, the Middle East and Western India before turning back. At it´s maximum extent it was pretty damn big, but I think that the Roman Empire in the age of the Antonines was just as large.

After Alexander the Great died his Empire broke into successor kingdoms that eventually collapsed or were conquered. The hayday of the Macedonian Empire was the 300s, but the Roman expansion was 300s-00s, and only went into the East in the 100s (two centuries after Alexander´s demise). When Egypt under Cleopatra was finally absorbed under Augustus Caesar in the 1st century BCE (00s), he brought an official end to the last of the successor states.

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According to a brief search, the Roman Empire at it´s maximum extent was 5 million square kilometers, while Alexander´s Macedonian Empire got up to around 5 million 2 hundred thousand square kilometers. Thing is, Alexanders empire collapsed almost immediately and the successor states never came close to succeeding him, while the Roman Empire maintained its borders, through tribulations, for centuries.
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Tomislav Jul 26, 2014 @ 6:09pm 
Originally posted by ZEEK:
when was that in realations tho this games tim period? and did latin culture and religeion only come after greeks?

If you are asking when Alexander the Great's empire was in relation to the Grand Campaign's starting date then the Macedonian Empire split up ~50 years before the game starts.

Latin culture was heavily influenced by both Greek and Etruscan culture.
CMDR Benny Jul 26, 2014 @ 6:10pm 
Assuming you are talking about the Macedonian Empire under Alexander, which is teh most appropriate in terms of scale, and probably what Caesar himself measured his achievements against, the Roman Empire spent a lot of its history looking to Alexander's conquest of the then known world as an almost unattainable high watermark of civilisation, but it surpassed his achievements (well, in terms of land mass, anyway) around the beginning of the second century BC.

Of course, both the Macedonian and the Roman Empires are relative minnows now, many have surpassed them, and it seems unlikely we'll see empires that rival the British Empire and the Mongols until the impending Islamic caliphate spreads its wings outside the middle east of course; Given the sheer land mass they have subjugated/enslaved in mere decades before now without modern weaponry we could easily see a substantial new chapter in military history from that quarter. :)
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Tomislav Jul 26, 2014 @ 6:13pm 
Originally posted by Berserk Smurf:
Of course, both the Macedonian and the Roman Empires are relative minnows now, many have surpassed them, and it seems unlikely we'll see empires that rival the British Empire and the Mongols

Unless technological advancement results in space exploration/colonization ending up being feasible/profitable.
CMDR Benny Jul 26, 2014 @ 6:16pm 
Originally posted by Tomislav:
Originally posted by Berserk Smurf:
Of course, both the Macedonian and the Roman Empires are relative minnows now, many have surpassed them, and it seems unlikely we'll see empires that rival the British Empire and the Mongols

Unless technological advancement results in space exploration/colonization ending up being feasible/profitable.

lol, we are in hang time now - it seems doubtful there will be any expansion to the stars in the near future. Western civilisation is more interested in social work than space exploration (and heading towards self-deconstruction/civil war), and every ascendant alternative is introverted or explosively prone to internal warfare in the extreme. All we can do is cross our fingers and hope some other civilisation picks up the ball and runs with it.
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Tomislav Jul 26, 2014 @ 6:20pm 
Originally posted by Berserk Smurf:
Originally posted by Tomislav:

Unless technological advancement results in space exploration/colonization ending up being feasible/profitable.

lol, we are in hang time now. Western civilisation is more interested in social work than space exploration, and every ascendant alternative is introverted or explosively prone to internal warfare in the extreme.

So behaving like most of human history? : P

There are some private companies looking into it though. So any potential "space empires" would probably be interplanetary conglomerates.
CMDR Benny Jul 26, 2014 @ 6:28pm 
Originally posted by Tomislav:
Originally posted by Berserk Smurf:

lol, we are in hang time now. Western civilisation is more interested in social work than space exploration, and every ascendant alternative is introverted or explosively prone to internal warfare in the extreme.

So behaving like most of human history? : P

There are some private companies looking into it though. So any potential "space empires" would probably be interplanetary conglomerates.

Yes, exactly, bevhaving like most of human history that had no interest in space exploration and spent its time dying by the millions and billions to diseases and wars and 99,999 years out of 100,000 didn't have the incilination to do anything but kill each other for mud and shiny metal and poontang.

Space empire my backside. Where is the great leap forward into space coming from? Richard Branson? lmao. China who would be content to sit back and mull it over for a thousand years or two? lmao.

Don't get me wrong, I have "followed space" for years. I watch everything live as it happens, I still do now - it's dead, funding is absolutely finito and more importanly the public have lost all aspiration in that direction. People are more interested in spending the money on new ways to paste foreigners with munitions, or try out infinitely expensive "social" stuff that breaks the bank but nobody will care about in 20 years.

Here endeth the pep talk ;)
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Tomislav Jul 26, 2014 @ 6:55pm 
Originally posted by Berserk Smurf:
Yes, exactly, bevhaving like most of human history that had no interest in space exploration and spent its time dying by the millions and billions to diseases and wars and 99,999 years out of 100,000 didn't have the incilination to do anything but kill each other for mud and shiny metal and poontang.

Space empire my backside. Where is the great leap forward into space coming from? Richard Branson? lmao. China who would be content to sit back and mull it over for a thousand years or two? lmao.

Don't get me wrong, I have "followed space" for years. I watch everything live as it happens, I still do now - it's dead, funding is absolutely finito and more importanly the public have lost all aspiration in that direction. People are more interested in spending the money on new ways to paste foreigners with munitions, or try out infinitely expensive "social" stuff that breaks the bank but nobody will care about in 20 years.

Here endeth the pep talk ;)

Which is why I mentioned profitability. The government and public don't care anymore so the only real chance I see is if it was found to be a lucrative industry.

I'm not saying it will happen anytime soon. (When you said "we" were you meaning in our lifetimes or "we" as in humanity collectively? Because I took it as the second since we never saw the Roman Empire, Mongol Empire, etc. in our lifetimes)
CMDR Benny Jul 26, 2014 @ 7:01pm 
Originally posted by Tomislav:

Which is why I mentioned profitability. The government and public don't care anymore so the only real chance I see is if it was found to be a lucrative industry.

I'm not saying it will happen anytime soon. (When you said "we" were you meaning in our lifetimes or "we" as in humanity collectively? Because I took it as the second since we never saw the Roman Empire, Mongol Empire, etc. in our lifetimes)

The second really, although by implication the first as well, I suppose. :)

It is very sad the profit is not being derived from space - there are such vast reserves of materials and energy to be exploited, this alone as you say could be enough.
Tomislav Jul 26, 2014 @ 7:09pm 
Originally posted by Berserk Smurf:
The second really, although by implication the first as well, I suppose. :)

It is very sad the profit is not being derived from space - there are such vast reserves of materials and energy to be exploited, this alone as you say could be enough.

I hope so. Anyways I think we derailed this thread a little so I'm going to stop discussing space exploration. :D
CMDR Benny Jul 26, 2014 @ 7:25pm 
Originally posted by Tomislav:
Originally posted by Berserk Smurf:
The second really, although by implication the first as well, I suppose. :)

It is very sad the profit is not being derived from space - there are such vast reserves of materials and energy to be exploited, this alone as you say could be enough.

I hope so. Anyways I think we derailed this thread a little so I'm going to stop discussing space exploration. :D

Good call. :)
lil_tyke Jul 26, 2014 @ 9:47pm 
Beserk Smurf. Your gonna drive me and yourself crazy, thats why we are here, avoiding the ♥♥♥♥♥♥ reality. haha. Awe now I'm sad.

On subject, Alexander was the closest thing you could call a Greek empire, But he conquered Greece to do this, it wasn't through unity. And the leagues were very divided. And Disaggreeing with Besurk Smurf, Rome may not have been the biggest empire, but it lasted the longest, was the most successful, and productive, there will never be anything like it again.
Alexander almost had an empire as big as Rome's, but it didn't last as long.
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