Sue Nov 21, 2012 @ 5:39am
Optimization needed.
Changed title because it seems "intimidating" for some. Also enough with "your specs is too low" debate. Just give optimization for those who don't have powerful graphic card.
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How come this game with 11 years old graphic couldn't even run smoothly. At some part I locked at 30 FPS, then it got boosted to 60 FPS and boom! I hit a robot.

At least give frame skipping like in Sonic 4 Episode 2 so the game can keep in constant framerate and playable speed. I don't mind jittering as long my gameplay isn't slowed down.

If you asking my spec, I'm on a Core2Duo laptop with integrated video card. Okay, my specs is cheap, but at least this game should run in same performance like SADX, or S4Ep2.
Last edited by Sue; Nov 25, 2012 @ 8:44pm
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Fiarel Nov 21, 2012 @ 6:58am 
>How come this game with 11 years old graphic couldn't even run at constant framerate.

its a port. and i think - its just emulation
Sue Nov 21, 2012 @ 7:06am 
I thought the purpose of a "Port" is to get rid of this -emulation- thing.

They did good with SADX, Heroes and Riders, but why not SA2?
Prower | Sponsored By Doritos Nov 21, 2012 @ 7:13am 
What laptop is it? What resolution are you playing the game at?
ezodagrom Nov 21, 2012 @ 7:19am 
Originally posted by Fiarel:
>How come this game with 11 years old graphic couldn't even run at constant framerate.

its a port. and i think - its just emulation
Port and emulation are completely different things. SA2 PC is a port of SA2 XBox 360, the Genesis/Mega Drive classics on Steam are emulated.

Originally posted by Ran_TH <//3:
Okay I said it. How come this game with 11 years old graphic couldn't even run at constant framerate. At some part I locked at 30 FPS, then it got boosted to 60 FPS and boom! I hit a robot.

At least give frame skipping option like SEGA did in Sonic Riders so people can play it fine. I don't mind jittering as long my gameplay isn't slowed down.

If you asking my spec, I'm on a Core2Duo laptop with integrated video card. Okay, my specs is cheap, but at least I'm PASSED minimal system requirements as mentioned in store page. I feel ripped off. This game should run in same performance like SADX.
Try contacting SEGA support, it's the only way they will be aware of the issue.

SEGA America support:
http://segaofamerica.zendesk.com/home

SEGA Europe support:
http://support.sega.co.uk/home
Last edited by ezodagrom; Nov 21, 2012 @ 7:24am
JigglyWiggly Nov 21, 2012 @ 7:50am 
runs great for me constant 60fps.

I am not using vsync though, I disabled it in the nvidia control panel. To prevent the game running at 100x speed, I just used kegety's fps limiter, works great.
sethiroth Nov 21, 2012 @ 8:24am 
Originally posted by JigglyWiggly@3dslice.net:
runs great for me constant 60fps.

I am not using vsync though, I disabled it in the nvidia control panel. To prevent the game running at 100x speed, I just used kegety's fps limiter, works great.
i hear adaptive vsync also works great for it.
i will try once its downloaded.
Sue Nov 21, 2012 @ 9:08am 
Originally posted by Prower:
What laptop is it? What resolution are you playing the game at?

Laptop with Intel VGA card. Ridiculous, eh? But what more ridiculous is that SA2 can't even run flawlessly. It shares same specifications like SADX according to Steam store page, which runs fine in my laptop. That's why I felt confident buying it, and get disappointed in the end.

I can understand if this game features AAA graphics shader effects etc. But SA2 still using same low-poly model and textures from 2001 and yet it's still lagging. I bet they're just too lazy to optimize the game for PC. They ported it for XBOX hardware in mind.

I played it on 800x600 resolution to get stable 60 FPS, but it's still slowing down to 30 in some events.

Originally posted by ezodagrom:
Try contacting SEGA support, it's the only way they will be aware of the issue.

SEGA America support:
http://segaofamerica.zendesk.com/home

SEGA Europe support:
http://support.sega.co.uk/home
I already submitted them a ticket.
I just want more FPS Options, no more than that.
Last edited by Sue; Nov 21, 2012 @ 9:11am
Sue Nov 21, 2012 @ 9:31am 
Okay, now I just found out SADX on Steam version is also from XBOX/PS3 console port (which also have similar graphics issue), while I have 2004 version of the game. Now I feel dumb.

I still hope they would add frame skip options like in Sonic Riders and Heroes, though.
Last edited by Sue; Nov 21, 2012 @ 9:32am
ezodagrom Nov 21, 2012 @ 10:12am 
Originally posted by Ran_TH <//3:
Okay, now I just found out SADX on Steam version is also from XBOX/PS3 console port (which also have similar graphics issue), while I have 2004 version of the game. Now I feel dumb.

I still hope they would add frame skip options like in Sonic Riders and Heroes, though.
As bad as the SADX 2011 port is, the game keeps normal speed even when the framerate drops.
The problem with SADX 2011 is that it only has resolutions options up to 1280x720 (with borders), but even at resolutions like 1280x720 or 1024x768, the game is actually locked at 640x480 internally. Plus the config tool doesn't work in the Steam version without the player editing the windows registry (the config tool of SADX 2011 does work for the non-steam version). :\

About SA2, yeah, for the game to be tied to the framerate, they should have added a frameskip option, yeah. :|

Oh, one last thing, if you have a Core 2 Duo with Intel integrated graphics, that means you have Intel GMA graphics. Intel GMA graphics are really horrible, they are way below the minimum requirements.
Last edited by ezodagrom; Nov 21, 2012 @ 10:16am
ultio Nov 21, 2012 @ 1:16pm 
Originally posted by Ran_TH <//3:
Originally posted by Prower:
What laptop is it? What resolution are you playing the game at?

Laptop with Intel VGA card. Ridiculous, eh? But what more ridiculous is that SA2 can't even run flawlessly. It shares same specifications like SADX according to Steam store page, which runs fine in my laptop. That's why I felt confident buying it, and get disappointed in the end.

Intel's GPUs - especially their mobile line - is far from being able to handle video games properly, they often have faulty drivers. I remember my old notebook from 2009 being unable to get Half-Life 1 running at a stable FPS rate, it, too, came with an Intel onboard GPU. It's simply because they are meant for office and simple media applications.
Foxka Nov 21, 2012 @ 1:45pm 
You obviously have a ♥♥♥♥ty computer if you are lagging when you hit things, my computer isnt even that great and i never have any issue with it. Also it MAY be something with using a keyboard instead of a controller.
Apeman-san Nov 21, 2012 @ 4:14pm 
You have an integrated graphics card, there is your answer.. don't expect to play many good PC games at any sort of reasonable framerate otherwise, i currently have a dual core I5 laptop with 5870M graphics and it runs what i want fine with the framerate dropping below 60FPS rarely in L4D2 and Killing Floor. However i also have my own gaming rig for main gaming

Basically if you want to game on a laptop get a good one, if not build your own gaming rig which will be cheaper and better.
Sue Nov 21, 2012 @ 6:11pm 
I do know my laptop sucks and I should get a better one, thank you. I am used with jittering and lags so they are not much problem to me. But in SA2 case, it's pretty unplayable because of the game slowing down. I just can't accept it's featuring same old graphics yet still not smooth because of bad "unfinished" port.

I can play fast-paced game Sonic Riders with this laptop even I should set my frame limit to 15 FPS. I can play Sonic 4 Episode 2 smoothly although it's only on 20-30 FPS because the game is not tied to framerate. Why don't SEGA give that for SA2?

*btw I don't know about you but I can play HL1 smoothly with this laptop :p
Last edited by Sue; Nov 21, 2012 @ 6:17pm
Cyborg Immortal Mercenary Nov 21, 2012 @ 6:20pm 
Sega cant make decent pc porting now
samgamgi Nov 21, 2012 @ 9:44pm 
Yeah, it's a bad port and SEGA is to blame, blah, blah, blah...but maybe, because you know your laptop is bad you should have waited some time and READ that it's a bad port instead of having to write about it. Companies get away with bad ports because people still buy their games. Now, they have your money, but you can't play their game...

Anyway, game runs fine for me, didn't had to change ANYTHING and it's smooth as could be, it is even more stable in my PC than Generations, that crashes 1 or 2 times in 5 minutes of gameplay before it decides to behave like a good game.
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