SquarelyCircle Sep 3, 2013 @ 8:39am
No local co-op = no buy
I was literally about to buy this game when I stopped and asked myself, "Wait, does it have local co-op?" I searched these forums and found that it doesn't. I just thought the devs should know that it is the lack of local co-op that is keeping me from buying this game. Otherwise, I'd buy the 4 pack.

Why the 4 pack if I want local co-op?
I'd buy the game to play local co-op with my wife and sons, then I'd give the extras to my brother, his wife, and my other brother. But, without the ability to play with my wife and sons on local co-op, I don't think it'll be worth buying to only play with my brothers (who I'd play with less often).

I want to emphasize that I'm saying this in hopes of local co-op being implemented in this or future games. I have no ill will or anything. I just thought my reason should be known. Game looks sweet.
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Leth  [developer] Sep 5, 2013 @ 8:15pm 
It's something we're considering but it's not a simple thing to add.

Appreciate you taking time to give us your thoughts.
Ecleptic Sep 7, 2013 @ 5:52pm 
I personally have never used local co-op. I don't think it's very good on computer games, especially if you do not have any controllers, and the computer screen is normally really small to have a bunch of people cramped up trying to see it.
Just giving my opinion.
Why would you prefer local co-op? I'm not trying to rile any feathers, just curious.
SquarelyCircle Sep 7, 2013 @ 6:23pm 
Leth, thanks for the info.

Ecleptic, thanks for your open-minded question.

I have a 50 inch computer screen with 4 gamepads. I have a couple of kids who will never let me play if I don't play co-op with them. So, local co-op is extremely valuable to me. More valuable than lan play, in my case... but I'm pretty sure lan is more valuable to almost anyone else (and used to be to me). I also invite friends over to play PC games in a fashion similar to how some might play Xbox.

I've played through L4D multiple times using local co-op. Dungeon Defenders is a blast because of the 4 player local co-op. Awesomenauts has an odd 3 player local co-op, which is a lot of fun. Castle crashers and Rayman Origins feel like 4 player local co-op is almost obligatory. The local co-op on the lego games is basically what makes those games good. The reason I own Jamestown, Capsized, Dungeonland, Shatter and "A virus named Tom" is because of the local co-op. Atom Zombie Smasher's local co-op isn't amazing, but it's there, and I've used it.

Comments about local co-op being useless on pc are made a lot. However, I assure you that there is a significant community of people who play PC local co-op for a variety of reasons. We are very aware of the difference between "co-op" and "local co-op" because it matters to us.

For example, the PC version of Borderlands 2 has had local co-op re-modded into it. There is a Resident Evil 5 mod that re-enables local co-op on the PC version. There are ways of modding Terraria to allow for local co-op and multiple mice. The Terraria techniques are highly complicated, but people do them because the feature is so valuable to them. I haven't been successful at getting them to work, but have spent hours and hours trying to do so.

No feathers are "rifled". Don't worry, many people are unaware of the popularity of local co-op on PC. In fact, I'd go so far to say that I've never suggested or requested it without someone being a little baffled by my interest in it.

I'll end by singing the local co-op anthem.

Oooooooooooooh....

J/K :P
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Ecleptic Sep 7, 2013 @ 9:56pm 
Squarely, that was very enlightening and I now understand how that would work. I personally have tried to do dungeon defenders local co-op before so I understand how that could be a necessity. And with a kids and a 50-inch monitor I can see what the problem would be.
Terets Sep 8, 2013 @ 10:04am 
Well, I don't have one of those fancy pants 50 inch monitors.. But I do have a 42 inch ;) with 4 controllers as well. I have the same problems when looking for games, I have to adhere to what the family wants so 4 player co-op is it. Found a lot of racing games and puzzle types, but not very many role playing or adventure types. I got the 4 pack though due to it being a game I enjoy playing, but I would love to see something like this 4 player local.
Zz Doom Gaze zZ Dec 31, 2013 @ 9:12am 
+1 on this. Lack of local co-op was a deal breaker for me.
BrettMan Dec 31, 2013 @ 11:31am 
+1 Local co-op is very important to me as well. Especially since the look of this game reminds me of secret of mana and I loved the local co-op on that.
Godeke Dec 31, 2013 @ 12:38pm 
Local co-op can be problematic when it drives the game's design, such as Dungeon Siege III's awful multiplayer dedicated to single screen play.

Single screen play restricts movement and when done wrong (and it is usually done wrong) it can ruin an otherwise fine game experience. I would *far* prefer to see multi-machine play (which serves anyone with a PC and Internet) than a mode that only works if you have a massive TV, PC in the living room and four controllers strapped to it.

The latter seems to be a fairly niche market right now (although the SteamOS might change all that in the coming years).
devilslyric Jan 17 @ 11:41am 
Wow, thanks for that list of games with local co-op!! I'm also in a household of gamers and have the same issues. We don't always want to set up 3 machines and buy 3 copies of software when it's far more fun to share the experience. It definitely has affected our buying practices in that regard.
FIRE_KEEPER Feb 11 @ 3:52pm 
I Actually have Not one single friend who shares my taste in games , they all just rather play CoD or Dota 2 thats IT !!
So screw Local Co op , this is sick playing with friends online
Watson Feb 11 @ 8:00pm 
Thanks for not being a troll Square. Very rare to see.
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