Check vs. Mate

Check vs. Mate

virtuadept Dec 7, 2012 @ 2:15pm
This or Archon Classic?
Is this better than Archon Classic or not? is Archon Classic worth $10 regardless?
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Thjudge Dec 7, 2012 @ 11:48pm 
They have a C64 port... sweet!!!
Soggy Bog Moggy Dec 8, 2012 @ 1:20am 
I own both, and I'd rather play this. Pieces use chess movement and capture rules; I don't have to learn new mechanics, "spells", etc. to play all the game variants. Plus, I like Eastern European-style gothic high fantasy artwork, but that's me. YMMV
Last edited by Soggy Bog Moggy; Dec 8, 2012 @ 1:23am
virtuadept Dec 8, 2012 @ 6:33am 
Thanks for the info, santaDog.
vorik Dec 8, 2012 @ 8:26am 
Archon update has a lot of the flavor of the original, and like the original, arcade skill trumps strategy vs. the computer. vs. player is where strategy with the light-dark cycle comes into play. Archon is not Chess and each has its own appeal.

Archon is worth $10 for nostalgia. $2-$8 if you're playing for the first time. The new board layouts in the Campaign will slightly challenge old school players, due to the limits in movements/obstacles on the board and the way it forces light-dark cycle. A chess analogy would be having an impassible boulder along the travel line (like maybe Kb4) for your Queen's bishop. Archon tries to train players to defeat tougher monsters with a weaker piece on a disadvantaged square. Personally I blame my laptop keyboard for not having the same feel, but I played the original on an Apple 2. If you have a high end Rosewood keyboard or similar, you might have a better experience.
Last edited by vorik; Dec 8, 2012 @ 8:37am
virtuadept Dec 8, 2012 @ 9:09am 
I wonder if it works with a xbox controoler
vorik Jan 5, 2013 @ 11:42pm 
Just bought this and for arcade action, get Archon. The Chess AI in Check vs. Mate is leaps better than Archon, even at Archon's highest setting. Mostly because there's no auto-stalemate type of rule if you move a piece 3x in the same place -- Archon will do this forever because it's scared of being at a disadvantage, unless your piece is within direct striking distance -- not sure if CvM does this though. Pieces in Archon have a limited move range, from 3 squares to 5, in any direction, with differences for ground travel or flying travel. Archon is very much the Star Wars Ep 4 monster chess scene.

In CvM, I found the combat kind of odd.. as you battle, your pieces heal a little after killing a "supporting" piece on the battle field. If you engage a enemy piece on the board, CvM's arcade battle adds a few random pieces, more based on your piece's existing health, and likewise with the enemy's. I found the CvM arcade mode very clunky.

Archon has a 4-player option also, but I haven't investigated realtime multiplayer. I think it is designed for 4 ppl on the same computer (but you can make them all AI players). Archon also allows your pieces to gain experience, giving them new powers (explained in their tool-tips) including powers that affect other pieces on the board. There are different game modes to disable or enable these extra features.

One of the crazy things in the original Archon is playing computer vs. computer and going out to make a sandwich when the phoenix fights a shapeshifter....

Graphically, CvM is much more polished, with complete 3-d graphices. Archon is strictly 2d.
Even Battle Chess on the old CD-ROM is graphically superior to Archon in this new form

CvM and Archon have controller support.
Last edited by vorik; Jan 5, 2013 @ 11:52pm
virtuadept Jan 6, 2013 @ 4:08pm 
Great tips, thanks vorik. I may pick up CvM some day if it goes really cheap.
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