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MrMuffinz May 15 @ 2:56pm 
Textures are actually better.

They didn't brighten it either, the lightened the shadows because 10 years later we don't want really hard and crappy looking shadows.
HexeR May 15 @ 3:01pm 
Originally posted by MrMuffinz:
Textures are actually better.

They didn't brighten it either, the lightened the shadows because 10 years later we don't want really hard and crappy looking shadows.

*begins laughing* Oh wow, you know absolutely nothing, do you?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qu-4VJgmEi0

All's they did was make textures glossier and increase the brightness. Why do you think they don't actually state what graphical effects they increased on the store page? That the only thing they ACTUALLY brag about is the new stereoscopic 3D?

Textures are actually worse by the way. The only "textures" you're talking about are the face textures of the NPC's.

In fact, to get similar looks between BFG edition and Doom 3, alls you really need to do is increase Doom 3's brightness slightly.
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MrMuffinz May 15 @ 3:18pm 
No, i'm talking about the textures of the levels, not just the faces.

When you get closer the Resolution doesn't get all muddy and ♥♥♥♥ty like it did in Doom 3.
Go to 2:50 in this video, where he gets close to the statue.
You have to be blind to not see the difference, I can even see it with my not-so-good eye sight.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14ogZP5tips

As pointed out in this video too, the game is much better optimized than before.
It supports native Widescreen, doesn't require digging into the ini files for an FOV fix, and the game itself runs better with stuff like Anti-Aliasing.

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HexeR May 15 @ 3:29pm 
Originally posted by MrMuffinz:
No, i'm talking about the textures of the levels, not just the faces.

When you get closer the Resolution doesn't get all muddy and ♥♥♥♥ty like it did in Doom 3.
Go to 2:50 in this video, where he gets close to the statue.
You have to be blind to not see the difference, I can even see it with my not-so-good eye sight.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14ogZP5tips

As pointed out in this video too, the game is much better optimized than before.
It supports native Widescreen, doesn't require digging into the ini files for an FOV fix, and the game itself runs better with stuff like Anti-Aliasing.
That's a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ comparison, since I JUST went in and took pics of that same location, from multiple angles, all of which are exactly comparable to BFG edition shown in that vid:

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=260182225
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=260182295
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=260182519
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=260183142

Looks EXACTLY like the BFG version shown in that video.

The only reason it looks "muddy" is because he's playing on a lower res.
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MrMuffinz May 15 @ 3:39pm 
Oh good, now go show me a picture of Doom 3 in that same spot at a High res.

You didn't make any point here, in-fact you reinforced it by confirming texture resolution is much better.

Go ahead now, go get the original picture.
HexeR May 15 @ 3:40pm 
Originally posted by MrMuffinz:
Oh good, now go show me a picture of Doom 3 in that same spot at a High res.

You didn't make any point here, in-fact you reinforced it by confirming texture resolution is much better.

Go ahead now, go get the original picture.
That IS doom 3, you idiot.

http://gyazo.com/405ef683585d1d3f2c2ed95e619e44b6

There's Doom 3, added to my steam games because I installed it on CD (I still have the original disc version I bought in 2004). If you notice, there's also the pics in the "screenshots" section, which I took moments ago.

http://gyazo.com/22d8897c7be3651924a9f1ecfe9ac5c4

There's it's install location in my program files.

http://gyazo.com/1613982ded3c04f0e0a05e2b160bed9f

There's the base installation folder.

You literally have no excuse. Doom 3 BFG is a ♥♥♥♥ing propaganda campaign.
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MrMuffinz May 15 @ 3:46pm 
Still we have:

"It supports native Widescreen, doesn't require digging into the ini files for an FOV fix, and the game itself runs better with stuff like Anti-Aliasing."

Also, the Shadows are softer, so no wonder it isn't as dark.
This is a good thing graphically, and bad atmospherically, but it's a good trade-off for being 2014.

I'm guessing the guy in the Gamespot comparison was running at one of those predetermined resolutions.
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HexeR May 15 @ 4:14pm 
Originally posted by MrMuffinz:
Still we have:

"It supports native Widescreen, doesn't require digging into the ini files for an FOV fix, and the game itself runs better with stuff like Anti-Aliasing."

Also, the Shadows are softer, so no wonder it isn't as dark.
This is a good thing graphically, and bad atmospherically, but it's a good trade-off for being 2014.

Anti-aliasing thing is true, it does run better, but the vsync is totally broken and doesn't function at all in BFG edition. Wide-screen support can easily be fixed by going into the config and setting up custom height and widths for what you want, and setting the aspect ratio to 0 (4:3), 1, (16:10) or 2 (16:9), it's not complex at all.

"so no wonder it isn't as dark"

First off, that's not how soft-shadows work, secondly, doom 3 supported soft shadowing in the first place but it only used stencil shadowing more often because it wasn't as hardware intensive, and lastly, they ruined the game by adding more lighting and adding bloom which makes it now look worse because the game relies on its real-time use of unified lighting and shadowing, which can't be fully appreciated and put to full use when there's too much lighting.
MrMuffinz May 15 @ 5:01pm 
Originally posted by HexeR:
Originally posted by MrMuffinz:
Still we have:

"It supports native Widescreen, doesn't require digging into the ini files for an FOV fix, and the game itself runs better with stuff like Anti-Aliasing."

Also, the Shadows are softer, so no wonder it isn't as dark.
This is a good thing graphically, and bad atmospherically, but it's a good trade-off for being 2014.

Anti-aliasing thing is true, it does run better, but the vsync is totally broken and doesn't function at all in BFG edition. Wide-screen support can easily be fixed by going into the config and setting up custom height and widths for what you want, and setting the aspect ratio to 0 (4:3), 1, (16:10) or 2 (16:9), it's not complex at all.

"so no wonder it isn't as dark"

First off, that's not how soft-shadows work, secondly, doom 3 supported soft shadowing in the first place but it only used stencil shadowing more often because it wasn't as hardware intensive, and lastly, they ruined the game by adding more lighting and adding bloom which makes it now look worse because the game relies on its real-time use of unified lighting and shadowing, which can't be fully appreciated and put to full use when there's too much lighting.
Again, they didn't add more lights, they simply shifted them around (which imo looks better in some cases, like lights under vents), and they toned down the darkness of shadows.
Sure they didn't use complete soft shadowing, but they added it quite a bit more.

Also, Vsync is irrelevant to me as I don't use it in any video game I play, as it seems to mess with my aiming, and it can break frames, even if you go way above 60.

I haven't seen any Bloom that wasn't already in the game really :|
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motorsep May 15 @ 5:37pm 
I think it's impossible to explain to people who dead set to cover Doom 3 and idSoftware in dirt about how Doom 3 BFG is different from Doom 3.. sigh...
MrMuffinz May 15 @ 6:17pm 
Originally posted by motorsep:
I think it's impossible to explain to people who dead set to cover Doom 3 and idSoftware in dirt about how Doom 3 BFG is different from Doom 3.. sigh...
Who are you talking about here?
motorsep May 15 @ 6:49pm 
Doom 3 BFG is powered by hybrid of idTech 4 and idTech 5 - entirely new engine. It's modern, multithreaded. Networking was rewritten. It has motion blur, bloom, etc. That's why you get unlaggy input, high performance multiplayer (I played with ping 400 ms and gameplay was smooth; you could never play Doom 3 smooth with ping higher than 150 ms) and stable 60 fps almost on any PC that is OpenGL 3.2 / GLSL 1.5 compliant.

As far as content, I recally the only thing that is new is normal maps. The rest of the textures/models are original. Crank up texture quality to the max and you'll have same quality as Doom 3.

All that doesn't matter to people who are 1. not tech savvy and have no clue about engines and all that good stuff 2. who already starts topics with "Why is ID lying about Doom 3 Original?"
HexeR May 15 @ 7:02pm 
Originally posted by motorsep:
Doom 3 BFG is powered by hybrid of idTech 4 and idTech 5 - entirely new engine. It's modern, multithreaded. Networking was rewritten. It has motion blur, bloom, etc. That's why you get unlaggy input, high performance multiplayer (I played with ping 400 ms and gameplay was smooth; you could never play Doom 3 smooth with ping higher than 150 ms) and stable 60 fps almost on any PC that is OpenGL 3.2 / GLSL 1.5 compliant.

As far as content, I recally the only thing that is new is normal maps. The rest of the textures/models are original. Crank up texture quality to the max and you'll have same quality as Doom 3.

All that doesn't matter to people who are 1. not tech savvy and have no clue about engines and all that good stuff 2. who already starts topics with "Why is ID lying about Doom 3 Original?"

You are a gigantic ♥♥♥♥ing idiot, and here's why:

"Why is ID saying it's a graphical update when all's they did was add bloom and brighter lighting?"

No where did I state anything other than what you just said, in fact, you even repeated things I've stated.

I never mentioned the networking, I never mentioned the multithreading, I never mentioned input lag (which I don't have), and also, Doom 3 DID have normal maps dip-♥♥♥♥.

http://www.iddevnet.com/doom3/bumpmaps.php

There's a document that was written by John Carmack himself on Doom 3. They also changed some of the various textures for certain characters in BFG edition, like Sgt. Kelly, who they replaced his face/head textures with.

So yea kid, maybe you shouldn't talk about things you have no understanding of in the first place?

Anyone who wants to play an "enhanced" version of Doom 3, just go play Doom 3 with mods.

http://i909.photobucket.com/albums/ac298/RyviusRan4/Doom3-3.jpg
http://www.dsogaming.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/doom32011081401002251.png
http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj161/Wulfen1/doom%203/4p-1.jpg?t=1288971561
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Tezz La'Coil May 15 @ 7:36pm 
My God, OP. Why do you actually care so much? So what if they're lying? Are you going to crusade against them or something? Probably not. If you are, good on you. You may have balls. If not, get some sunshine. You've been in the dark too long, and it's causing irritability and mild psychosis akin to a woman on her period.
HexeR May 15 @ 7:58pm 
Originally posted by Tezz La'Coil:
My God, OP. Why do you actually care so much? So what if they're lying? Are you going to crusade against them or something? Probably not. If you are, good on you. You may have balls. If not, get some sunshine. You've been in the dark too long, and it's causing irritability and mild psychosis akin to a woman on her period.

"Are you going to crusade against them or something"

Funny, except it's not.

"Why do you actually care so much?"

I care because I posted this thread genius. Anymore brain-busters?

"You've been in the dark too long, and it's causing irritability and mild psychosis akin to a woman on her period"

I have been out today, maybe you need to graduate from high-school and actually learn what the words you're using actually mean (Pyschosis? lol, the only irritable pyschotic here would be you, since you go into topics and do nothing but use emotionally charged mockery to try and prove your point, IE, the tactics of a woman on her period). Sorry that I know what I'm talking about, perhaps you aren't intelligent enough to counter, so you get upset and use laughably childish ad hominem and strawman tactics? Yea, probably the latter. Or perhaps both?

I'd call you an idiot, but I fear it would be an insult to idiots.
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