Baron Porkface Jan 13, 2013 @ 1:46pm
A.I quality
I'm considering buying this game but the reviews around release say the a.i. is really bad. has this changed in the time since release?
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¦ö¦ ƒ ì ᴙ e ¦ö¦ Jan 13, 2013 @ 1:49pm 
Originally posted by Baron Porkface:
I'm considering buying this game but the reviews around release say the a.i. is really bad. has this changed in the time since release?
Don't let "bad AI" be the sole factor in affecting your decision to buy the game.

The game is both beautiful and brilliant, and needs a lot of strategy to win, much more than crappy games like Civ 5 (that's right, I'm throwing it out there).

I personally came across my feed of quirks, but that doesn't stop me from playing the game regardless.

http://forums.amplitude-studios.com/showthread.php?15024-Some-suggestions-from-me-excuse-me-if-I-may-have-repeated-any

This game is definitely worth the $15 you pay for it. You easily get hooked and play throughout the night on the very first day. The hours you get back for what you pay is just unbelievable.
Dorok Jan 13, 2013 @ 2:43pm 
The AI has in fact good points and bad points. When you play with multiple AI their behavior is better spread when in Civ they tend gang up. Another good point of the AI is the different AI behave very differently, that's cool.

There's bad points as they don't manage that well their fleet and many AI personalities don't manage that well the economic. It seems also coming from the AI personalities generating weakness in their managements. To compensate AI get bonus like lower penalties from Happiness, a rate bonus for research and more. Only the lowest difficulty level give no bonus to the AI. It's still a good strategy challenge to learn manage better than the AI because the game is quite complex. And after it's like all those type of game you need increase bonus to AI once you know better the game, not many games escape to this rules because they don't have decades of studies and opening libraries and ending libraries and more like Chess programs has for example.

So yeah the AI could be better but has good points and the game is still a quite fun and interesting strategy game. After 100 hours put in it and more to come since end of 80's it easily get in my top ten list of strategy games (all turn based or with pause system allowing commands). If you do like turn based strategy games it's really a game to try. It's an excellent mix of fun/appeal and strategy depth, not the best depth but a good depth anyway and at this level of fun and appeal not many game of the genre match.
la_nague Jan 13, 2013 @ 11:01pm 
the ai is pretty bad and cheats a lot to keep up.

i suggest either galciv 2 or ai war.
crowbarzero Jan 14, 2013 @ 2:42am 
First game in the genera that sent me back to the days when the day went by without me noticing like I did back in CIV 1 ages ago. Only AI part that was annoying was an ally kept flying their scouts thru the other nations terratories and ♥♥♥♥ed them off
c00lizz Jan 14, 2013 @ 8:03am 
It's no AI War that's for sure. The AI is fairly easy to trick once you know what you're doing but then again, that's true of about every 4X game out there.
Dibzahab Jan 14, 2013 @ 10:08am 
The AI is better than it was at launch (stacked unit management and such), but still not very good.
Dorok Jan 14, 2013 @ 11:31am 
In AI War isn't the player battle against two AI that starts much stronger than the player? Moreover the AI totally cheat applying simplified rules quite different than those of the player. I don't see any AI brightness here. As it's real time I won't bother even try the game but I wonder if turned based it would have the same good reputation. I do read the designer applied various very smart tricks but not that the AI strategy level is that high.

Well this comment is totally pointless for OP question, it's just basic thinking about what AI strength is. lol
c00lizz Jan 14, 2013 @ 6:04pm 
Well, all AI sucks, and the only way an AI in any game can provide a challenge is by cheating. AI War does have some nice features like the ability to always stay at max range when using long range ships and such. It is still miles ahead of AIs in other strategy games.
Domo Arigato Mr Robato Jan 14, 2013 @ 11:25pm 
I think you will find in all strategy games the AI will 'cheat'. From age of empires to Civ5, it's the only way to give the player a challenge since it is incredibly hard to build an AI that will progressively get harder as you increase the difficulty without using bonuses
Dorok Jan 15, 2013 @ 12:11pm 
Chess programs can not cheat (apart using libraries of opening and ending but well it's not really cheating, it's more their "memory") and still can manage multiple difficulty levels.

But well as I already quoted it it's a quite special case with theoreticians of the game and researchers and designers and programmers working on the same problem/game/rules since decades.

I did enjoyed a lot some strategy games but don't remember any not based on AI having clear advantages, either in number of troops either through better rates for those with managements.
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Anunaki Jan 16, 2013 @ 5:19pm 
This game is definitely worth the $15 you pay for it. You easily get hooked and play throughout the night on the very first day. The hours you get back for what you pay is just unbelievable.

Its not $15, its $30 or more depending on what version you get.
¦ö¦ ƒ ì ᴙ e ¦ö¦ Jan 16, 2013 @ 8:40pm 
Originally posted by Anunaki:
Its not $15, its $30 or more depending on what version you get.
You missed it during the Christmas sale.
landwhale Jan 18, 2013 @ 3:09pm 
AIs don't seem to have much personality. Every faction will go to war with you without trying peace talks first, every faction expands ridiculously fast given the expansion penalties, and every faction won't offer cease fires until you're practically capturing their capital. The game is playable solo it just bothers me how all races act almost the same.
Dorok Jan 19, 2013 @ 6:38pm 
Let take for example Sophons, Sheredyn, Cravers, they play hugely differently. Only though diplomatic the factions behave very differently.

Instead of let random choose for you, choose AI in your game to be sure to experiment more setup, that will help you discover the multiple differences, even if on some points it's clear there's no differences or hardly distinguishable.

Also your faction traits should makes your strategy different. So experiment different factions is a way to understand better AI factions differences.
Kurisi Jan 30, 2013 @ 10:06am 
It is a brilliant game, should totally get it. The AI shouldn't put you off. They are mostly good. The only problem I have with it is as the AI cheats on the harder difficulties I've not yet been able to move past newbie. It's just too hard. The diplomacy doesn't really work and AI personality doesn't really shine though sadly.

Still the depth and beauty of the game more than make up for it. Besides when they eventually fix mulitplayer it should be interesting to play with friends.

Edit: Only just now checked to see that you have indeed got the game. Hope you are enjoying it! =]
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