Manxome Jul 21 @ 3:15pm
Anyone get a diplomatic victory?
If so, what were the circumstances and how many turns did it take?

I'm currently playing Amoebas (which seems to be the most diplomatically-oriented faction) and I've been aiming for a diplomatic victory but it looks like I'm probably going to fulfill at least two other victory conditions first (without trying). Around turn 100 or 110 (normal speed) with ~40% diplomatic victory progress and growing <1% per turn, but over 50% economic victory progress and growing >1% per turn (despite me giving dust lower priority than all other FIDS at all points during the game), and I'm also producing some 15-20k science per turn and have already unlocked one of the techs that makes science victory cheaper.

It's hard to optimize for diplomatic victory points since the algorithms governing them are secret, but I've signed peace treaties at every opportunity, formed alliances when doing so didn't require breaking a peace treaty (is alliance + cold war better or worse than 2x peace? darned if I know) and made diplomatic trades aggressively (including occasionally giving away money to other players just to try to improve relations) throughout the game. And it's an 8-player game, so that's a lot of peace treaties (though one of the players was Cravers--wiped them out already).

I'm probably on track to win a diplomatic victory around turn 180-200 if all the other victory conditions were turned off, but that would probably be my longest game so far, and I doubt whether ANY of the other victory conditions would take me that long from my current position if I were actively pursuing them (except for winning by score at turn 300, of course). What gives?
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Manxome Jul 21 @ 10:21pm 
Oops, closer than I remembered. Won economic victory on turn 115 with diplomatic progress around 50%. Looks like I could have won a science victory in about 6 more turns if I kept playing.

Amoebas get silly amounts of approval bonuses in the late game (at least when aiming for diplomatic victory); by the end I had my tax rate set to 100% and still had every single planet in my empire at "ecstatic" level.
Green_Clon Jul 22 @ 5:18am 
Tried to go for diplomatic victory several times already, every time I don't ever go into war, get alliances, even send free stuff.. and still when I get to some decent level of progress, it turns out one of the AIs (even with several wars going on like most of the time) is ahead of me anyway. Makes me rage so hard :(

Well, if you want to win diplomatic victory, you should disable other winning options in settings before starting the game! :)
MTB-Fritz Jul 22 @ 6:49am 
The thing I discovered about dipomatic interactions is that using them regardless which type is more beneficial to the diplomatic victory condition then simply staying statically at peace for 200+ turns.

Even the Cravers can win a diplomatic victory (hell, that should ve been an achievement haha) by using declare war and cease fire often...probably not getting that much + on their victory condition that way but I ended a Craver game with 12% diplomatic victory condition ones so it should be possible.

When you win a match and opt to "cointinue playing" every addition win criteria you fullfill will add the appropriate achievement....so its possible to get ALL victory condition achievements or any other kind of achievement after the match is won
poulpe Jul 25 @ 6:52am 
Originally posted by fluttershy:
Tried to go for diplomatic victory several times already, every time I don't ever go into war, get alliances, even send free stuff.. and still when I get to some decent level of progress, it turns out one of the AIs (even with several wars going on like most of the time) is ahead of me anyway. Makes me rage so hard
That's exactly what happens is my games.

I wanted to know if the Deals (When you trade ressources, dust, tech etc.) between us and the other factions directly raise the points to the diplomatic victory ?
Are the deals just usefull to keep them happy with us and stay in peace/alliance with us ?

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MTB-Fritz Jul 25 @ 7:15am 
What I did when I experimented with diplomatic actions was to grant my allies/frindly neighbours small dust-presents, around 100-1000 at a time and these did add 1% every 1 or 2 trades to my victory progression (probably 3 points for 5 trades). Its important that the AI has to have a need for dust otherwise it doesnt do anything so best used when their treasury is around 500 or lower.

Technologies or resources have a higher chance of approval but I generally refuse to give em away due to giving the game AI unwanted advantages.

Breaking these deals probably also adds to the diplomatic progression score which makes the game AI unhappy but if he declares war that ll lead to cease fire and eventually peace again so alls good.

The key seems to be ACTIVE diplomatically not necessarily being in an alliance or corportation agreement etc.

Regardless what you do the game AI will become hostile to you anyway at one point .

If you are aiming for a diplomatic victory I suggest disabling all other conditions and prepare for a long match (I think I did mine at turn 260 or so back then)
poulpe Jul 25 @ 9:49am 
I've done some tests.

I've loaded 2 times the same save at turn 118, with only diplomatic victory activated, 4 AI + me.
Every 5 turn I've noted the % of my diplomatic victory for a total of 30 turns.

- The 1st time I've canceled all my deals with the other factions exept peace, alliance and cooperation agreements.
Turn 118 : 32 %
Turn 123 : 34 %
Turn 128 : 36 %
Turn 133 : 39 %
Turn 138 : 42 %
Turn 143 : 44 %
Turn 148 : 47 %

- The 2nd time I've keep all the deals, renewed all deals that were canceled by the IA, give 200 Dust per turn to each faction for all the 30 turns, a big one time gift of 5000 dust to each faction and an other smaller of 2000 dust to everyone.
Turn 118 : 32 %
Turn 123 : 34 %
Turn 128 : 36 %
Turn 133 : 39 %
Turn 138 : 42 %
Turn 143 : 44 %
Turn 148 : 47 %

There was absotely no difference at all.

I want to know how the AI can easily beat me in diplomacy when I've been in an alliance more time and with more people than him, peace with the others, cooperation agreements with everyone, not a single war and in easy mode.
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GenNyan Jul 25 @ 2:25pm 
I've gotten the diplomatic victory once as the sheredyn, though I was in at least 2 wars and 2 alliances from turn 50 to turn 200. Its kind of a bu*lsh*t victory type cuz I was declaring war as much as humanly possible. (Wanted to stop those cravers in their tracks)

I think its just about making as many maneuvers as possible (ie creating deals left and right, making and breaking huge alliances, agreements, wars, etc.)
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Ratlegion Jul 25 @ 3:05pm 
I got it on my first game. I tried to go for Wonders, but I didn't have enough turns left. Then I tried for Science, still didn't have enough turns. I was still planning to win through score, when I got updates that two factions were close to economic. Near the end, I found out I was close to diplomatic and won with about 10 turns left to go. Guess it's harder than it looks.

Oh well, it's out of the way now.
y4uhittaz Jul 25 @ 9:12pm 
Originally posted by MTB-Fritz:
The thing I discovered about dipomatic interactions is ....simply staying statically at peace for 200+ turns.

That is how you win a diplo victory. Its easy. Crush all your enemies (use carriers if you are ameoba and you can crank out fleet after fleet), then once you have 1 or 2 ♥♥♥♥ty little opponents that wouldn't dare question the might of your massive carrier fleet...you sit and wait for victory.
That is what I did, and check out my Amoeba Diplo Victory Achievement.
In my particular game, there were 8 players but I destoyed all that stood before me until it was me, the sowers and the pilgrims. The Pilgrims had like, 3 star systems in the eastern wing, the sowers had the northern wing of the 4 point spiral galaxy, and I held all the rest. The sowers and I never went to war and had pretty much been allies sicne I met them (I was starting in the south of the 4 point so it made sense to me to ally with them). On one occasion I was at war with the pilgrims, but then my stupid sower ally kept inviting the pilgrims to join my alliance so we just sorta sat in a 3 way alliance circle jerking until suddenly the game ended (I was going for a science victory but it got cut short by diplomacy)
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MTB-Fritz Jul 26 @ 7:19am 
Back when I did mine I was colonizing my arm and sat there playing along just defending while the AI factions slugged it out. Only at the very end did I have to intervene (another Amoeba AI had a higher diplomatic voctory % then I did.....had to crush it )
GenNyan Jul 26 @ 11:12am 
Originally posted by MTB-Fritz:
Back when I did mine I was colonizing my arm and sat there playing along just defending while the AI factions slugged it out. Only at the very end did I have to intervene (another Amoeba AI had a higher diplomatic voctory % then I did.....had to crush it :spacemonster:)

How do you see if another faction has higher diplomacy status than you? When I mouse over the diplomacy option it always only shows mine.
Ratlegion Jul 26 @ 11:13am 
You can resign and see where everyone is... but I think it's only when you get the annoucement that another power is close that it will show their percentage. Someone else could confirm.
MTB-Fritz Jul 26 @ 12:39pm 
How do you see if another faction has higher diplomacy status than you? When I mouse over the diplomacy option it always only shows mine.

Once the other faction is passing a certain theshold it ll be visible to you at the same spot where you check your own progress (might be 50% or 80% I m not sure at the moment)
Ratlegion Jul 26 @ 12:40pm 
It's 50.
poulpe Jul 27 @ 2:23am 
Originally posted by MTB-Fritz:
another Amoeba AI had a higher diplomatic voctory % then I did.....had to crush it.
That's so diplomatic :)

Well I myself achieve the diplomatic victory. That was a mess.
I didn't bother a lot about the agreements and deals, I just tried to be at peace with a lots of people.
I've played in a Giant 8-spiral galaxy with 8 factions.
I've takent the center of the galaxy, build a huge empire, had many wars, almost destroyed 2 factions, Had a military fleet far greater that anyone else.

I've won easily and I don't know why.
In my previous attempts I tried to avoid wars at all cost and focus on all the deals with everyone and I've been beaten everytimes.
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