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ԍӧѧҭ Jul 23, 2013 @ 5:45pm
Developers Wreck another game
Hoestly.... why do game developers continually ruin games by including one shot kill snipers? I was really enjoying this game with some friends and it is now turning into counter strike awp fest.

Every server in every region is infested with 3 (if not the entire team) using 1 kill snipers.

How long till items are tradeable? I have spent some good money on this game hoping it would develop into a nice game, but alas its just the usual awp camp fest.

Who wants all of my stuff... and how can I give it all away?
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[Beaverknight] Timeraider Jul 24, 2013 @ 11:18pm 
Though i do have to say that Sniper are atm choice of the month .. its not that bad tbh.
The real problem also kinda hides in inside ..
lets say it like this... every gun has a strenght of maximal 100% .. if you are noob, its 0-5%, an avarage player has 50% and a skilled player has 100% utilizing the full gun.
Now you have sniper..a noob has 0-5%, an avarage player 50%.. but then.. a reasonably skilled player 150% and a very skilled player 200%...
Snipers are fine with low-normal skilllevels, but the moment its being handle by a fast-reflex and really skilled player ... it just overpowers any disadvantages Sniper has (which isnt much since sniping while jumping/running and turning has no disadvantage at all).

I would simply suggest to make some very small changes that make it just harder to aim while jumping/turning (not to heavy ones) ... thats all.

But tbh till now i wouldnt say its destroying the game, neither is attacking the devs for it even though the gameis still in closed beta would be a valid move.

However if there is a way to transfer stuff. ... i would happily take your items :D
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_charon Jul 25, 2013 @ 8:10am 
I really enjoy this game, but after playing a bit...
♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ snipers everywhere.
The Toast With the Most LLC Jul 25, 2013 @ 12:33pm 
Just do what I do. You make a launcher gun that uses scuttle and remote control, and if your steering gets good enough you can hit a sniper while out of their view and therefore can be immune to their snipy BS.
TheRealWhiteKong Jul 25, 2013 @ 1:41pm 
Originally posted by WoOS Timeraider:
Though i do have to say that Sniper are atm choice of the month .. its not that bad tbh.

Who are you to say that it's not that bad? Were you in the games this person is referring to?
TheRealWhiteKong Jul 25, 2013 @ 1:43pm 
Originally posted by ☯ץZ Trestero:
Just do what I do. You make a launcher gun that uses scuttle and remote contro...

So, essentially you are saying that we should fight derpy with derpy?
ԍӧѧҭ Jul 25, 2013 @ 10:48pm 
Originally posted by WoOS Timeraider:

But tbh till now i wouldnt say its destroying the game, neither is attacking the devs for it even though the gameis still in closed beta would be a valid move.

A few weeks ago, you could play a server with the same people for hours where as now, there will be 5 - 6 sniping and the other slots are people leaving due to these ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

How is it not ruining the game when you cant have a decent game for some ♥♥♥♥ing idiot who just jumps and 180HS you everytime he sees you. You dont even have to hit their heads... the hit boxes are that ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ you only have to be somewhere in the vacinity and your dead.

I really enjoyed this game for the first few weeks I played it. Battles were hard, fast and rather intense. Now if you dont get HS from someone you dont even see, then its getting HS by someone who isnt even aiming at you.

I dont think this game will last, pity, it could have been great.

I certainly wont be spending anymore money on it.

rob  [developer] Jul 26, 2013 @ 5:19am 
It would be great if you could give balance and gameplay feedback on the official forums where the dev team and more of the community will see it: http://www.loadout.com/forums

The purpose of closed beta is to get feedback on stuff like this, and we constantly adjust them with new builds.
mwalker1212 Jul 26, 2013 @ 7:55am 
Snipers ruin Loadout, no joke. Its not that kind of game play. Snipers stop the flow. Feedback givin
Playground Prowler Jul 29, 2013 @ 12:53pm 
The problem isn't snipers, the problem is lack of ways to deal with them. Team Fortress 1 and 2 are beautiful examples of devs managing to balance the one hit kill abillity of the snipers. For every cheesey way of killing someone there was at least one way of dealing with it. You can't have a game that's all about the weapons without including sniper rifles, and a sniper rifle that's not able to kill with one shot isn't really a sniper rifle. Besides, quite a few people enjoy playing as a sniper, and saying that there's no skill is just stupid. "It's just about clicking on things good"? That applies to every fps out there, if it really takes no skill and it's just about clicking on things well then why don't you do it? You pound down most snipers more than a few times and most of them will switch to a different class. Sounds like more of the old "you aren't playing the game the way I want you to play it *whine* Play it the way i'm telling you to so I can be better right now! *cry*". Learn to deal with it or find a different game to play, but telling the people who made the game "I know better what it takes to make a game fun" just makes you look ignorant and petty. Keep up the good work devs, don't let the haters with the entitlement complex get to you.
moron Jul 29, 2013 @ 1:05pm 
why blame the gun when you are not skillfull enough? every game there are this whining kids that talk about some op weapon, when dev nerf the weapon, they started to blame other op weapon, then another... then blame hacking and etc. learn 2 play, learn 2 handle those sniper, its all about strategy. most of all L2P and quit ♥♥♥♥♥ing
[Beaverknight] Timeraider Jul 29, 2013 @ 1:06pm 
Originally posted by ♥♥♥♥♥:
why blame the gun when you are not skillfull enough? every game there are this whining kids that talk about some op weapon, when dev nerf the weapon, they started to blame other op weapon, then another... then blame hacking and etc. learn 2 play, learn 2 handle those sniper, its all about strategy. most of all L2P and quit ♥♥♥♥♥ing

The name just ruins the post :P
moron Jul 29, 2013 @ 1:08pm 
well the kids that whine about sniper in all post and dont have an idea to argue started to blame the name

Originally posted by WoOS Timeraider:
Originally posted by ♥♥♥♥♥:
why blame the gun when you are not skillfull enough? every game there are this whining kids that talk about some op weapon, when dev nerf the weapon, they started to blame other op weapon, then another... then blame hacking and etc. learn 2 play, learn 2 handle those sniper, its all about strategy. most of all L2P and quit ♥♥♥♥♥ing

The name just ruins the post :P
[Beaverknight] Timeraider Jul 29, 2013 @ 1:27pm 
Originally posted by ♥♥♥♥♥:
well the kids that whine about sniper in all post and dont have an idea to argue started to blame the name :d2tidehunter:

Originally posted by WoOS Timeraider:

The name just ruins the post :P

Ok.. i will say it in a nicer way. You dont even own Loadout, so please god dont state that actual loadout players have no clue what they are talking about.
ԍӧѧҭ Jul 30, 2013 @ 12:15am 
Originally posted by ♥♥♥♥♥:
why blame the gun when you are not skillfull enough? every game there are this whining kids that talk about some op weapon, when dev nerf the weapon, they started to blame other op weapon, then another... then blame hacking and etc. learn 2 play, learn 2 handle those sniper, its all about strategy. most of all L2P and quit ♥♥♥♥♥ing


I built a sniper gun.... I 180 hs every tool in the game. Is this fun... no. People leave half way through a game. Next game only has 3 people instead of 8.

So yes I can snipe, Yes I can deal with it...... IT IS RUINING THE GAME.

Why....... cause all the servers are constantly being cleared by a single OP weapon.

Originally posted by Cheater Defeater:
The problem isn't snipers, the problem is lack of ways to deal with them. Team Fortress 1 and 2 are beautiful examples of devs managing to balance the one hit kill abillity of the snipers. For every cheesey way of killing someone there was at least one way of dealing with it.

This is true, you should have simply stopped there.


Originally posted by Cheater Defeater:
Sounds like more of the old "you aren't playing the game the way I want you to play it *whine* Play it the way i'm telling you to so I can be better right now! *cry*". Learn to deal with it or find a different game to play, but telling the people who made the game "I know better what it takes to make a game fun" just makes you look ignorant and petty.

Im not whining due to the non ability to play the game, I'm not whining due to the inability to deal with the gun.

I am whining because as previously stated, it is a server clearing problem. This wrecks the game because then no one plays it. This is how the game is being wrecked. It needs to be fixed or there simply will not be a game to play.
Playground Prowler Jul 30, 2013 @ 12:29am 
Im not whining due to the non ability to play the game, I'm not whining due to the inability to deal with the gun.

I am whining because as previously stated, it is a server clearing problem. This wrecks the game because then no one plays it. This is how the game is being wrecked. It needs to be fixed or there simply will not be a game to play.

Fair enough, I appologize. I just hear the same thing so often that I assume it's some idiot that is frustrated and venting because he can't figure out how to deal with something in game. That being said I do understand when there is a broken character / weapon / skill that ruins the game for everyone else, I just love playing sniper in most games and get very tired of the "it takes no skill" rant.
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Date Posted: Jul 23, 2013 @ 5:45pm
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