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Jnx86 Apr 13, 2013 @ 3:42pm
Unblockable hits
Ok i find this disturbing. There is characters wich have regular attacks that are unblockable. D1ck can strike you with left and finish with shotgun and shotgun blast goes right through your block. Fire Renny finishes her combo by jumping over you and bashing back of your head. Shes also invulnerable when shes in air. Elrath`s last normal move also goes through block cos she uses her scythe to slash you from behind.
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Selkea Apr 13, 2013 @ 3:53pm 
I'm not sure what you mean by D!ck' shotgun going through your block, however I do know that FRenny and Elrath can be blocked, it's just a matter the direction you're facing while blocking. This is much easier to do against an Elrath than a FRenny, but all you have to do is turn your camera to block behind you as they do the specific move at the end of their combo.
Jnx86 Apr 13, 2013 @ 3:58pm 
Turning 180 degrees sounds just stupid. Then you turn your back and receive a next hit. I know that Elrath`s attack can be countered with precise strike. Though my opinion is, this is an issue and needs correcting. Afterall were still in beta.
Jnx86 Apr 13, 2013 @ 3:59pm 
To make my point even clearer. This game is far from perfect so lets try to make it like that :)
Cytrode Apr 13, 2013 @ 4:02pm 
Well it is a skill based game. Some attacks are going to be a little harder to block. Having a 360 degree block would mean that they would have to significantly reduce the amount of damage that block mitigates. (I think it's somewhere around 90% right now)

Except for guard breakers, though, I don't know of any attack that CANNOT be blocked.
Jnx86 Apr 13, 2013 @ 4:07pm 
No you dont need 360 block but attack that come from front should be able to block by facing your enemy. Its just a mistake in development and lets hope its corrected.
Candy Victim Apr 13, 2013 @ 6:27pm 
I dont see any problems and dont know what you mean. Elraths last attack in her combo IS coming from the back.

For me, it just sounds like you want the game to be easier..
verb the noun Apr 13, 2013 @ 9:36pm 
Originally posted by Jnx86:
No you dont need 360 block but attack that come from front should be able to block by facing your enemy. Its just a mistake in development and lets hope its corrected.

As you said, it is able to block when you're facing your enemy, both FRenny's and D!ck's. Elrath's unique ability is to break your guard at the end of her combo, and there's a big window where you can break her combo and counter. Just like Cytrode said, It is a skill based game.
gl;hf! Apr 13, 2013 @ 10:21pm 
I don't consider it a mistake, it's a unique characteristic of an attack that makes perfect sense. If she reaches around me with a sharp blade I want to block the blade, not get into a staring contest with her. Once frenny/elrath get far enough to make those attacks their options are really limited.
1) Continue, and probably get blocked by anyone who knows the combo.
2) Reset the combo, often opening themselves to a counter.
3) Fake, by using an R attack (Slow windups, easy to block/counter with decent reaction time and ping. Fire tornado may back attack depending on distance).
4) Fake, by using a jump attack variant.

In a team scenario players like this can essential break someone who is blocking in a corner. I'm sure you've seen that derp moment 2v1 where the two boneheads are spamming straight into a lone blocking player instead of flanking for the back attack and easy kill. However, if you can't get a flank (corners, ect) having characters with a natural back attack from melee strikes or AoEs can deal with the turtle.

In summary: It's a good thing that opens up mind games/meta and raises the skill cap.
Jnx86 Apr 14, 2013 @ 12:58am 
Just balanced :)

Crow, you have a good point there. Allthough i disagree that some characters have guard breaking regulars makes perfect sense. It doesnt.
Jnx86 Apr 14, 2013 @ 1:14am 
But ill need to admit that youre the only one who has some point made here Crow :)
Ill know its crucial to get behind your opponent when he/she is blocking but to inlude it to the normal combo instead of letting player actually move and hit from the back is balance issue. This "unique" characteristic makes the gameplay easier for those who exloit it and unfair for those who dont.
DYSEQTA Apr 14, 2013 @ 1:53am 
Originally posted by Jnx86:
This "unique" characteristic makes the gameplay easier for those who exloit it and unfair for those who dont.

Exploit? What exploit. Elrath's back attack is entirely intentional so using it is not an exploit its making use of the characters abilities (you are aware she is using a scythe right? a weapon with an inside edge to the blade). Getting hit by the back attack is not unfair its the way it works.

If you do not block ithis part of her attack (this is coming from someone that never ever even remembers to try to block it >.<) then you will feel the pain just like with any other attack you fail to block or evade.
Jnx86 Apr 14, 2013 @ 2:26am 
Yeah and Valle has a huge hammer that should destroy any shield it touches. To use same argument, you dont stay and block when someone swings a huge warhammer to your way, you dodge. "Its the way it works", right ;) But as far as this goes lets leave it to the dev`s to decide :)
Emonium Apr 14, 2013 @ 3:42am 
To be quite honest, I believe you're just complaining because this game is too hard for you. I've been playing this game for two days (about 15 hours) and I've gotten first place twice so far in 1vsall and my level of skill is already up there with any closed beta veterans. Why haven't I complained? Because I took the time to learn some of the characters and learned how to react...
This is not a casual game. It's supposed to be fast paced and chaotic. You've gotta learn what everyone can do and stay on your toes if you wanna win.
Jnx86 Apr 14, 2013 @ 4:01am 
Statements like this are hollow as their makers. Ive played the game over 16h now and i enjoy it. No, i dont think its too hard, i just make a statement about problems i find and lose all fanboy attitude to get the game enjoyable for everyone :)
Kreddi Apr 14, 2013 @ 4:55am 
Well first off, i haven't experienced ♥♥♥♥'s shotgun going trough my block then again i haven't played alot against him so i can't be certain if thats actually true.
About Flame Renny and Elrath last attacks hitting you in the back, it is very much intentional. I would personally be bored too death if every charracter's attacks were more or less the same and all hit in the front. No dynamic attacks or uniqueness too each charracter. Im personally a big fan of having to adjust in which direction i block when facing diffrent opponents.
And im 99.9% sure that Flame Renny is not invulnerable when doing her air attacks, as i have knocked her out of them a good deal of time with Dan Mei
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