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dAsh Apr 28, 2013 @ 5:24am
renoah can't win when 2vs1
1 is fire lenny.
This is bad. i want chances for 1 vs2 doesn't matter which hero i'm choosing. Plz do something
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Lenz Apr 28, 2013 @ 6:16am 
dAsh you really need to stop making these QQ threads for various characters...
dAsh Apr 28, 2013 @ 6:35am 
Originally posted by Lenz:
dAsh you really need to stop making these QQ threads for various characters...
i'm serious. Both of them were newbies.
NeedCoffee Apr 28, 2013 @ 6:44am 
no game should balance around winning 2v1.

your silly.
Achiel Apr 28, 2013 @ 8:57am 
To win a 1 vs 2 would solely rely on a player's ability.
NeedCoffee Apr 28, 2013 @ 9:12am 
Originally posted by Achiel:
To win a 1 vs 2 would solely rely on a player's ability.

well sure but thats not what Dash is asking now is he.
dAsh Apr 28, 2013 @ 10:26am 
Originally posted by NeedCoffee:
no game should balance around winning 2v1.

your silly.

i'm not saying that one should be over powered. but perhaps under this kind of situation the character could get bonus skills to help him.

It's possible to drag the fight on, you can get very close to finsh them off, but I'm telling you it's impossible to win, eventually you will die with renoah.

1v1 is fine with her, but 1v2 is tuff.
Last edited by dAsh; Apr 28, 2013 @ 10:26am
dAsh Apr 28, 2013 @ 10:29am 
Originally posted by Achiel:
To win a 1 vs 2 would solely rely on a player's ability.

The problem here is not about ability, it's about whether if it's even possible.

It's like you telling me for example, add 1 and 1 together and get 3. In general. if you give me 1 and another 1, it wouldn't make 3. the answer will always be 2.
Last edited by dAsh; Apr 28, 2013 @ 10:29am
CAST Sliferx Apr 28, 2013 @ 10:54am 
Originally posted by dAsh:
Originally posted by Achiel:
To win a 1 vs 2 would solely rely on a player's ability.

The problem here is not about ability, it's about whether if it's even possible.

It's like you telling me for example, add 1 and 1 together and get 3. In general. if you give me 1 and another 1, it wouldn't make 3. the answer will always be 2.

Depends on many factors, but if your question is "is it possible?" yeah it is why not. I dont think a character has to be able to win in 1v2+ situations just to be balanced though...
Last edited by CAST Sliferx; Apr 28, 2013 @ 10:55am
NeedCoffee Apr 28, 2013 @ 11:22am 
Originally posted by dAsh:
Originally posted by NeedCoffee:
no game should balance around winning 2v1.

your silly.

i'm not saying that one should be over powered. but perhaps under this kind of situation the character could get bonus skills to help him.

It's possible to drag the fight on, you can get very close to finsh them off, but I'm telling you it's impossible to win, eventually you will die with renoah.

1v1 is fine with her, but 1v2 is tuff.

she's a sniper. shes supposed to be able to take out champions from a distance.

therefor she gets hunted down.

shes not supposed to be tanky, or highly survivable. asking for that is OP.

if your in a 1v2+ situation with renoha then loose your stupid pride and run away to whereever your team is. her escape is better than most of the other champions and she has one of the absolute best ultimates. that stupid bullet storm or whatever its called even interupts you while your capturing a node.
dAsh Apr 28, 2013 @ 11:44am 
Originally posted by SSSliferx:
Originally posted by dAsh:

The problem here is not about ability, it's about whether if it's even possible.

It's like you telling me for example, add 1 and 1 together and get 3. In general. if you give me 1 and another 1, it wouldn't make 3. the answer will always be 2.

Depends on many factors, but if your question is "is it possible?" yeah it is why not. I dont think a character has to be able to win in 1v2+ situations just to be balanced though...

Personally i don't think you've experience this situation with renoah.
I think in a group batlle, when it's just you and 2 enermy, it's very nessasary for the player to stand a chance otherwise most people would just leave
Last edited by dAsh; Apr 28, 2013 @ 11:55am
dAsh Apr 28, 2013 @ 11:53am 
Originally posted by NeedCoffee:
Originally posted by dAsh:

i'm not saying that one should be over powered. but perhaps under this kind of situation the character could get bonus skills to help him.

It's possible to drag the fight on, you can get very close to finsh them off, but I'm telling you it's impossible to win, eventually you will die with renoah.

1v1 is fine with her, but 1v2 is tuff.

she's a sniper. shes supposed to be able to take out champions from a distance.

therefor she gets hunted down.

shes not supposed to be tanky, or highly survivable. asking for that is OP.

if your in a 1v2+ situation with renoha then loose your stupid pride and run away to whereever your team is. her escape is better than most of the other champions and she has one of the absolute best ultimates. that stupid bullet storm or whatever its called even interupts you while your capturing a node.

You didn't get my point. ofcourse i know she's a sniper and snipe people at the back, but that's in a group fight. i'm talking about 1vs2, when you don't have any teammates, either dead or just don't have any, you should have oppotunities to win. So in order for that to happen, i suggested to give the player extra skills but not over power.

This happens very often today especially during open beta when lack of people playing. But in the future this could still likely to happen.

Her ult, sadly wouldn't work that much in this kind of situation, coz you need the SP or RP bar to be full for that skill. So that means in the begening of the game you pretty much just have to run and dodge their atk while trying to damage them at the same time. When you used up all your shift skills, it's quite hard for you to go anywhere.

You see in 1v1 battle, when any character gets hit, it's still possible to dodge after the enermy finish their atk. But in 1v2 battle, the combo would likely to get higher and once you get hit you might never have a second chance.

Anyway, thanks for your time.
Last edited by dAsh; Apr 28, 2013 @ 11:54am
Geminosity Apr 28, 2013 @ 1:06pm 
Originally posted by NeedCoffee:
her escape is better than most of the other champions

Wait... what? Renoah has no escape. She's got the 2nd slowest footspeed in the game, her roll costs a massive chunk of her stamina to execute and has almost no distance to it. How on earth does she have a 'decent' escape, let alone better than most other champions? :P

I don't have any complaints about her not being able to run away but claiming she has escape options confuzzles me :o
Last edited by Geminosity; Apr 28, 2013 @ 1:29pm
dAsh Apr 28, 2013 @ 1:25pm 
Originally posted by Geminosity:
Originally posted by NeedCoffee:

Wait... what? Renoah has no escape. She's got the 2nd slowest footspeed in the game, her roll costs a massive chunk of her stamina to execute and has almost no distance to it. How on earth does she have a 'decent' escape, let alone better than most other champions? :P

I don't have any complaints about her not being able to run away but claiming she has escape options confuzzles me :o
em..i don't know where you found that quote i didn't say it.
Geminosity Apr 28, 2013 @ 1:29pm 
Weeeeeird
I was quoting NeedCoffee and my own post somehow got 'quoted' inside it too XD

edit: FIXT! :D
Last edited by Geminosity; Apr 28, 2013 @ 1:30pm
dAsh Apr 28, 2013 @ 1:54pm 
Originally posted by Geminosity:
Weeeeeird
I was quoting NeedCoffee and my own post somehow got 'quoted' inside it too XD

edit: FIXT! :D

i see :)
and agreed!
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